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[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

If a large volume of themite was ignited in the basement of WTC 6 around core columns in the center of the building.

Would the structure above the weakened columns collapse into the center of the building similar to the photos in this video?

This could explain how everything remaining in the edge of the crater from the roof to the rubble pile would be deformed/bent down in the direction of the collapse.

It's also possible that the tremendous heat produced by the themite could then sear virtually everything inside the building as the superheated gases expanded and filled subsequent floors, until the roof collapses and allowed the gasses to vent throughh the top of the structure.

E second plane impacted shortly before the smoke cloud breached the buildings exterior.

They may have intended for the events to coincide, but it didn't happen.

Just like how WTC 7 was botched.

IDK. Just a theory.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Theory seems very plausible. I always love when people tell me if 9/11 was an inside job, the government is so incompetent they'd surely mess up and make it obvious. They did! They had to demolish another building in the middle of the day, at free fall speed because of fires. I initially believed a UA 93 lookalike drone was meant to fly into Building 7 and that the passenger jet to drone mid air swap went wrong, something to that extent. We know that Saudi Arabia's roll was to create a narrative about the fake hijackers who couldn't even fly signle engine cesnas. Their roll was to pin the blame on themselves. But we know the planes could NOT have done what they did at close to sea level and even that of a well trained pilot would have been unable to do such things. This makes it obvious that they were remote guided into computer rooms in each tower. No passengers on board, just drones made to look like passenger jets. And not the predator drones we have today but remote guided, reinforced jets. Plus, the planners would not allow terrorists who couldn't fly cesnas to botch their entire plan. Moreover, why do some truth seekers stil lthink they were REAL hijackers. I see many people peddle this narrative. Yes, the planners rigged the towers for demolition with Thermite and other explosives and at the same time unbeknowst to the planners there were hijackings that coincided with their devious plans. makes no sense.

UA93 has the heroism and patriotic narrative tied into it to pull the heart strings of the masses. So, the theory that UA93 was shot down with passengers to me is bunk. We know none of the flight data and cockpit recordings were made public, so we implicity have to trust the FBI who refuses to release the black box data, plus the box is MISSING the NTSB serial number. Meaning they can justt make it up anyway. We also know that the plane could not have crashed in the field because they picked a special spot for the crash site of UA93 where back in 1994 earth images we can see the slit in the earth that was said to be the impact of the plane wings. The mark already existed back then. Then we have the 5 mile plus long debris feild, which means the plane or drone was blown up in mid air.


I beleive they followed Operation Northwoods. The UA93 story and the fake mock victims with their laughably fake families such as: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPnn7FUZvlg

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Ilg6hT8Lo

make it so obvious that the passenger jets were filled with mock victims and aliases. If they were planning to do it in the 60's with multiple passenger jets, they 100% could have done it in 2001. The element in this narrative which troubles me the most is if the victims on the planes were fake, which I believe they were and UA93 was written into the story years in advance (that story being the heroism "lets roll' propaganda story where they drove the plane down into a field so as to stop it from reaching its destination, which was the plot line of several propaganda films), than what drone or plane was SUPPOSE to hit WTC7?


If no drone or plane was suppose to hit WTC7 and they designed it this way, maybe they knew it would divide the country? That's a big leap I'm taking but it seems like in many of these events they need to make it obvious what they are doing so they DO NOT have to take the blame.

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

It's ok agree with 95% of your theory.

The 4th plane was supposed to appear that it crashed. Who knows why the other one blew up in the air, but I don't recall hearing about bodies found from either craft. The 4th was probably done to suggest it was headed to the white House, but no president would allow that appearance of weakness. The pentagram was good enough.

I think building 7 was supposed to come down when tower 1 or two fell, but it was botched, so they had to finish the job anyway. It housed the CIA, FBI, NYC emergency office, IRS, SEC, and plenty of other agencys that were working on various investigations and cover ups. -Like Enron.

I would like to think that someone intentionally botched it for posterity. A single indisputable beacon to help shine light into the enveloping darkness of the surveillance police state.

9/11 truth ends the wars.

Are you familiar with Chris Bollyn? If you want the who done it, then look kinda his work. Every Truther already knowsb about the neocon, but they had plenty of clandestine help.

They staged a clandestine coup.... If the US wakes up and knows the truth, then the public will gladly start WW3 for this vengeance. There can be no doubt.

Christopher Bollyn solves the deception of 9-11.

"Solving 9-11 Ends the War" - Christopher Bollyn - March 7th, 2016

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Makes sense. UA93 or the drone in the offical government narrative was broadcasted to hit the Whitehouse but the 'fake' passengers patriotically brought down the plane, thwarting the plan of the crazy terrorists who do not like our freedoms. Herorism and lots of hollywood greenbacks would come from this fictional narrative. I believe initially, they could not find DNA evidence of bodies at the crash site of UA 93/drone. It seems to me they blew something up in midair which probably wasn't UA93 and then used a cruise missle or detonated a bomb in the mine shaft, in the middle of what the media and FBI called the wing marks, which already existed in that spot 10 years before 2001. The "let's roll" story probably was created well before the event, as it was used as propaganda for various films. There also is flight data of plane swapping in mid air of a phantom plane for UA 93 and I beleive the flight that hit the South tower. I'd imagine the passenger flights either traveled to their destination or a military base with carefully created aliases as Operation Northwoods states.

As for your theory on WTC7. That makes sense, as the buildings were collapsing WTC7 woudl come down with them in the thick pulverization of the concrete. This would have made it harder to see the demo and would give the planners more excuses as to why it collapsed such as falling debris.

Thanks for the links, I'll have to watch him. Have not had the time. What do you think of Judy Wood and DEW weapons of 9/11. Do you think she is a controlled opposition?

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Just wood says some interesting things, but overall I think her case is a red herring.

The plan needed 100% certainty of success. The planers would have to be idiots to try some non feild-tested superweapon.

  • Themite nano chips were found in copious volumes in the WTC dust.
  • Controlled demolition were used in both towers, as evidenced by the squibs.
  • It just occurred to me that I don't recall seeing squibs from any WTC 7 videos, but free fall into the structure's own footprint can only occur with controlled demolition.
  • Plus lucky Larry said "pull it".

Maybe there was an additional super weapon used, or some mystery device. It doesn't really change anything. The murders are the same. The treason it's the same. The judicial punishment is the same. No judge will say, "The neocon s used future super weapons?! The punishment is public floggings and then hanging!" Which is plausibly warranted,Zionists but I oppose a soccer that legislates revenge (executions are revenge acts with no tangible gain, while creating a handful of additional legally sanctioned murderers performing the execution).

Pursuing this speculative energy weapon notion gets us nothing. Nothing.

In reality, it totally devastates the credibility of a Truther to bring up crap like this to people who aren't aware of the facts. It also undermines credibility to many Truthers.

I can't prove that she's wrong. I also can't prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist. There's more proof that Santa exists than proof of Woods' claims. There are plenty of irrefutable facts.

It's not worth considering IMO. If the courts ever allow evidence to be presented, then her argument will sabotage whatever slim chance of justice may be possible.

If you're interested in 9/11 truth then make time to watch these videos. If you haven't heard of Chris Bollyn, then your mind will be blown.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Great write up. I agree wholeheartedly, the judicial process is the same, that is if the courts are not already corrupted beyond repair. Although, our republic is still alive, we just do not reside within it, as we tacitly agree upon birth of the waiving of our rights under the United States Corp. not to be mistaken with the United States of America under the constitution. If a criminal trial was to take place, which I doubt will happen, as they'll wait until most of the planners are dead there would be conflicts of interests. I wish I was more positive but to me the outlook is bleek when it comes to their imprisonment.

I watched half of the first video you sent me on Bollyn, and I have to say it is eyeopening. It seems, that 9/11 was the start of a coup in the United States.

I also read this that I found interesting:

Tony Rennell reviewing the book 9/11 Revealed: Challenging The Facts Behind The War On Terror, by Ian Henshall and Rowland Morgan in the UK’s Daily Mail, 6th August 2005:

The plot by America’s military bosses was devilish in both design and intent – to fabricate an outrage against innocent civilians, fool the world and provide a pretext for war. In the pentagon, a top secret team drew up a plan to simultaneously send up two airliners painted and numbered exactly the same, one from a civil airport in America, the other from a secret military airbase nearby. The one from the airport would have military personnel on board who had checked in as ordinary passengers under false names. The one from the airbase would be an empty drone, a remote-controlled unmanned aircraft. Somewhere along their joint flight paths, the passenger-carrying plane would drop below radar height, and disappear, landing back at the airbase and unloading its occupants in secret. Meanwhile, the drone would have taken up the other plane’s designated course. High over the island of Cuba, it would be exploded in mid-air after broadcasting an international distress call that it was under attack from enemy fighters. The world would be told that a plane load of blameless American holidaymakers had been deliberately shot down by Fidel Castro’s Communists – and that the US had no choice but to declare war and topple his regime.

The passenger manifests have been changed multiple times, there is no CCTV of passengers or hijackers, no testimonies of people working the airports that day, no boarding cards or DNA analysis. Three planes were scheduled to fly to Los Angeles, arriving around the same time. No sign of Flight 175, Flight 11, or Flight 77 passenger pickups or victims families at Los Angeles Airport at scheduled arrival time. No media sightings of waiting victims families and worried friends, eager for information, as we would expect from three commercial plane crashes. Where were the grieving families at the airports? I don’t recall seeing frantic loved ones at the airports looking to find out where their family members were. In all these years I haven’t seen one documentary provide anything in video footage of families at airports talking to the media.

1). Did you take someone that day to the airport and watch them board one of these flights and see the plane take off with that person on?

2). Can you show proof of a real manifest for any of these flights (signed by the pilot)?

3). Can you show any other proof there were any passengers on these flights?

The technology that existed in 2001 made it impossible for the cell phone calls from the nine passengers the FBI has records of having been made, to have been made from their hijacked jetliners in flight. This and the lack of background noise during the calls indicate that the calls were not made while in flight. t wasn’t until 2004 that technology was being developed to enable fairly reliable cell phone calls from commercial jetliners.

It is likely the phone calls were faked using voice-morphing technology developed by the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico as written about in the Washington Post, Monday, Feb. 1, 1999:

When Seeing and Hearing Isn’t Believing washingtonpost.com Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

“Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government.” So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice “morphing” technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner’s voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

This voice cloning/morphing software is now readily available: Baidu’s ‘Deep Voice’ Software Can Clone Anyone’s Voice With Just 3.7 Seconds of Audio.


[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Plenty of irrefutable evidence. Now we need the political will.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

What kind of political will? Knowing politics, those that attain power do so by lies, deciet and if necessary force. The idea of liberty and justice does not apply to them, they created these terms to keep what they call beasts docile. We need to be sure as a group, that our movement does not become subverted as almost every other truthseeking movement has.

And then I told the sucker, "You're such a wonderful, courageous patriot that I would love to help you fight Zionism", and he fell for the trick without any offers of money or sex! It was too easy!

(http://web.archive.org/web/20151018120213im_/http://iamthewitness.com/img/WolvesInSheepsClothing.jpg)

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

The kind that gets people in the streets like the yellow shirts in France. It could happen...

Whatever you may think of Trump (I'm on the fence, but I recognize he's under siege so must be doing something right against the deep state. The Rothschild's have chided him on Twitter) he may be the last hope we have for public awareness.

He's already dangled the Truther carrot. Maybe if things get ugly enough for him, he'd say fuck it and publicly blow the lid on 9/11 truth and wake all of his supporters. The country is suffering, and desperate for a solution. Let the cumulative rage rain down on the perpetrators of 9/11.

Trump supporters are chomping at the bit for an excuse to rise up. Let's help them. This is something that I support.

It's time for the system to get REKD!

Edit: Trump's not stupid. He's vulgar, not stupid. What do you think will happen to him when he leaves office. They're going to try to bury him, and his family.

He needs a Hail Mary play if he's going to survive this...
He already has a citizen army...
Let's play ball!

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Personally, I think Trump is a controlled opposition and puppet of Israel, no doubt about it. He is needed for the time to divide the country, as freedom and liberty according to the rulers is an idealogy that promotes the downfall of a nation. He has re-signed NDAA, Smith Mundt Modernization Act and many other treasonous bills. He is surrounded by neocons and zionists. Look into idealogical subversion and the tactics of the KGB (Russia collusion, no russia collusion or Israeli collusion... shsssss) to get an idea of how they and every other power broker around the world toy with the masses. They need a controlled opposition that attacks the media at all costs. The Zionsits and well placed scum at the top knew that an ever-increasing number of people were becoming aware that the media lies and produces hoaxes and false stories. Half the crap that is written on national news nowadays is made up on the spot because it is LEGAL. Trump is designed to promote censorship. According to Trump, the news is fake only when it talks about him, fox news and cointelpro Alex Jones is fine Trump says. The entire news is owned by 6 corporations 5 of which are Jew Zionist owned, the 6th not a dual Israeli but a self professed zionist too.

Trump attacking the media is a distraction to divide and disengage the masses on trivial matters. It promotes the idea that the media is broadcasting Truth on one side whilst also broadcasting deliberate disinformation and lies against Trump on the other, but Fox News is okay he says, oh and according to Trump, the news doesn't produce or stage stories or PSYOPs of which Obama and Trump legalized. Plus, Fox is the same news agency that lied regarding WMD's and 9/11 and Trump thinks Arabs did it. Once you accept that SOME events reported by the media are faked, logic will inexorably lead you to the fact that virtually ALL of them are. The character of a true story is altogether different than that of a fabricated one; this is a juxtaposition to be avoided at all cost. Take the time to research the stories that are being presented to you. Alt-media has been infiltrated as well. Since, 2012 the entire political spectrum is one charade, designed to confuse and disengage the viewers from their true potential.

Look at the Zionsits censoring every YouTube video and forum that critiques Israeli foreign policy and AIPAC lobby group. These forums and videos are banned by ADL and other Jewish Internet Leauge groups that Trump and his friends are cozy with. It is one big charade, do not fall for it.

In short, Trump is surrounded by Zionists and neocons, has lied about the Syrian chemical attack, attacks Powell and the Fed as a political theater move, as they hike up interest rates for the next collapse to be blamed on Trump. And Trump knows this and was selected as president for this very reason. HE IS THE ACTOR PUNCHING BAG. He will be blamed and NOT the banks for the coming collapse. As the Divide and Conquer puppet Trump also promoted the GREAT trick that is still played on the pretend-awake sheep.

THE STATE has convinced them that the state itself isn’t the enemy. Instead it’s some invisible “Deep State.” LOL. THE STATE and all those supporting its tyranny are the enemy, period. Deep, medium, shallow...who cares. Please, do not fall for this language.


Whatever you may think of Trump (I'm on the fence, but I recognize he's under siege so must be doing something right against the deep state. The Rothschild's have chided him on Twitter) he may be the last hope we have for public awareness.

Trump isn't under seige, our rights continue to be trampled and he puts a unconstitutional SCOTUS in the house of which the DEMS "wanted out" (political theater) because of a made up sex allegation. If the Dems talked about his views and legislation on the 4th amendment he would be out and someone else, probably justt as bad would take his place. But they did not. They focused solely on the fake allegation... why? Because both sides are controlled by the same masters and they could care two shits about you or your family. He isn't under seige and the deep state is not trying to out him; it is POLITICAL THEATER, nothing more.

The Rothschilds chiding him on Twitter means nothing. He most likely doesn't even use Twitter, all those twitter posts are most likely done by an aid and he most likely never reads them anyway. Plus, a Rothschild bailed him out because of financial struggles during his casino days.

He's already dangled the Truther carrot.

Because he's a controlled opposition.

The country is suffering, and desperate for a solution. Let the cumulative rage rain down on the perpetrators of 9/11.

The liberty movement is the ONLY movement that cares about you and your freedom. Dems and the GOP could care less, because secretly they have the neoliberal agenda in the back of their minds. To all of them the end justifies the means. That goal is the New World Order. The solution is an ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, THAT WILL be blamed on Trump and if Trump plays along, then my theory stands.

Our solution is awareness and preparedness, financially, socially and in our community. Nobody else is going to make that change for you.

Edit: Trump's not stupid. He's vulgar, not stupid. What do you think will happen to him when he leaves office. They're going to try to bury him, and his family.

He is a CONTROLLED OPPOSITION.

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just noticed I have reached "777" Saidit post karma, as I finished linking the "Solving 9-11 Ends the War" - Christopher Bollyn - March 7th, 2016 response to Jesus.

An interesting coincidence.