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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

To me, this is a really strange ongoing, well-directed campaign to criticize anyone who has been at a Catholic school or who is Catholic as being part of a secret Jesuit or Opus Dei group of some sort that is focused on world domination. It's more political propaganda, funded by the .01%. As I follow the many links to their sources, I only see associations with the Catholic Church, rather than any evidence that makes these rich people any different from other rich people who are associated with religions. Even UFO conspiracies provide better evidence than this. Not to say that there are no 'Jesuit' financial or corporate conspiracies, but they are certainly no different from other financial or corporate conspiracies. What motivates all of them is money, not religion, or the Vatican, or a cabal of ultra-rich people, or whatever. All of the latter problems exist, but follow the money, not the religion.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Yeah right, The Vatican is good because of reasons.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The Vatican stopped being influential in geopolitics around the time of the Second Vatican Council. Regardless of what one thinks of them, they aren't significant in geopolitics.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So you are just going to ignore the insane amount of evidence of the Vatican's influence over the Intelligence groups, some of them even admitted by Catholic groups, like the influence it has over the CIA and such?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's not that I am ignoring it, but rather not seeing much corroborated evidence about any significant developments in those areas. For example, the CIA would naturally engage with the Vatican for information about it's longstanding networks in various countries. It's an important hub of information. Has the Vatican used their influence in that case to manipulate the CIA? Perhaps, but I've not seen any significant examples that can be corrobrated. More importantly, does the Vatican help launder money with the help of their internaitonal network? I've not seen any evidence of this, but wouldn't be surprised if they did (via donations to the Church &c). It is however easier and more secure to launder money via special banking transactions, or by buying property and art at inflated prices. But I'm off topic. Did the Vatican cover up child rape by its constituents? Yes. We know this because the Vatican is trying to sort that out under the present Pope. But perhaps this too is off topic. Any massive international network, like that of the Catholic Church will be suspect.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

P2 and World Brotherhood Inc., took over the Church and then played a role in killing JFK but JFK was Catholic. Huh? Could it be that the trad. Catholics are right and that the Church has been taken over by anti-Catholics?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I would agree that bankers, corrupt politicians, and crime bosses tried to kill JFK, and that one or more of them succeeded with their approach, but I've seen no evidence that anyone in the Catholic Church wanted this. Indeed, there was a moment of hope among Catholics when a Catholic was elected for the first time. It was a big deal back then. Perhaps Protestants also wanted JFK dead. Seriously, he should have been warned about how many people wanted his head on a platter.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Protestants certainly wanted JFK dead. Gigliotti especially.

My sadness was when RFK was assassinated and blamed on a Palestinian. Bullet forensics show that the Palestinian Christian (Dershowtiz claims he was 'truly the first muslim terrorist' ; even though he wasn't Muslim) could not have been the killer. Nevertheless, he was blamed. The mob, and Zionists wanted RFK dead.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think this and the supporters of the Federal Reserve should be included in investigations of the Kennedy murders. Anyone thinking the JFK murder was merely a lone gunman was proven wrong when RFK was murdered.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Kennedy dynasty did indeed have intentions of ultimately breaking the back of the Federal Reserve financial monopoly over America's money system. However, there are still those who—in all sincerity—are inadvertently spreading misinformation about the JFK assassination conspiracy by claiming that JFK—by executive order—reintroduced non- Federal Reserve controlled "U.S. Notes" into the American economy during his administration. Yes, U.S. Notes were issued during the Kennedy administration—there's no question about it—but there's much more to the story that needs to be told.

Read Appendix 5 for far more detail on JFK and the Federal Reserve misinfo: https://archive.org/stream/michael-collins-piper-book-collection/Michael%20Collins%20Piper%20-%20Final%20Judgment_%20The%20Missing%20Link%20in%20the%20JFK%20Assassination%20Conspiracy-American%20Free%20Press%20%282004%29_djvu.txt

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Michele Metta, Jim DeBrosse and Michael Collin Piper's books concerning JFK are the only books one needs to read to understand the many people and ideologies involved in assassinating JFK and RFK. After all, these assassinations were not random, they were serial murder false flags blamed on patsies.

The Vatican was working with P2 lodge at the time, though true traditoonal Catholics will write that the Vatican and the Church were completely infiltrated during this time. And I agree. P2, an Italian NATO/CIA backed Orient masonic lodge, that worked with World Brotherhood Inc., and Permindex, of which Clay Shaw was a member; was exposed by Michele Metta in recently found documents as being a key organization in the attack. One P2 member left for Dallas, writing in a letter to Gigliotti, a Masonic protestant preacher and CIA agent, that he was looking forward to see what will happen and if they can pull it off.

Of course, there were two CIA denominations at that time. The veteran based anti-intervention, detente sect, a sect which JFK hoped to appoint, with the likes of former CIA director Smith, and the pro-Intervention, unconventional CIA, filled to the brim with book masons, Zionists and pro-Israel officials who were opposed to the Kennedys.

P2 lodge is said today to be a fringe lodge that has no relation with US masonry. This is a lie. Metta found documents and letters illustrating that the North and South Masonic divisions in the US signed a letter, with Giglotti, P2 members, Zionists and early Jewish terrorists, who were members of Permindex; as well as Seligman bank board members; with a pledge to STOP KENNEDY AT ALL COSTS.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for this. As noted earlier, you really have enough for a book in all of your posts. I'll have a look at the weekend at Michele Metta's, Jim DeBrosse's and Michael Collin Piper's works.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tenplar masons aren't Catholics, nor is Richarrd Perle or Wolfowitz who attended Jesuit universities. Marranos, sure, Catholic? No.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You both forget that the Vatican isn't Catholic anymore, it is full of Opus Judei Jews, Masons, who are suppose to be barred from enterring the Church and any Catholic who joined masonry was excommunicated before Vatican II, which is what hibs fixates on, the era before Vatican II. That eta when so-called 'anti-Semitic' preists had control over Church. Can't have that. Marranos must infiltrate the church according to Hibs, apparently.

https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com

https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com

https://twitter.com/rodeferous

https://twitter.com/mauricepinay

https://twitter.com/hereisjorge

^ ^ ^ Anyone who takes the time to read these blogs will understand that the church is chabadnik owned, meaning rabbinically owned, meaning supremacist Jew owned.

The Jesuit theorists love to claim that anyone who attends a public university founded by Jesuits is a secret Jesuit working for communism, despite Catholic Jesuits writing encyclicals completely opposed to the mercilessness of judeo-bolshevism, and despite anyone being able to attend a Jesuit owned university. My neighbor went to a Jesuit university, transferred out after third year, must b working for the 'black Pope.'

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks Jesus. I was unaware of what you note, though I also do not see in those links evidence of Opus Judei (?) Jews and Masons in the Vatican. Perhaps they're there, but the links here mainly show the exchanges between the Pope and Jews, and as we know the Papacy has protected Jews for centuries (even if the Church has also denounced usury &c). I'll hope to know more about this in due course (we don't have to discuss it now).

I agree that it's also far too easy to label Catholics as Jesuits in some of the anti-Jesuit conspiracy posts. My grandparents' family is Catholic, dating back hundreds of years, and they have no interest in Jesuits, which for them would be a group that was influential in the late 16th and early 17th centuries, and then remained a minority group. There is perhaps one or two major churches devoted to Jesuit practive in a few major cities. The real foundation for Jesuits is in the Dominican Order. Looking at Dominicans would be far more interesting for conspiracists.

And hardly anyone knew about or cared about Opus Dei until the Da Vinci Code. It's not an influential group.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just take a deeper dive into some of Maurice Pinay's work, or read the Plot Against the Church. There certainly is a Jewish infiltration of the church, clearly detailed by Maurice Pinay. And I do not mean humanist Jews like Israel Shahak or Edward Said are infiltrating the Church, I mean, supremacist Jews, like Chabad. 'Blot out his name' painting was given to 'Pope' Bergoglio by the rabbis that he gladly mounts above his office chair. To think that a pope would have a painting calling for the blotting out of Christ, to forget him and his sacrafice forever, while praising Zionism and Talmudism, is bizzare and certainly not Christian.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for this. I'll look at Maurice Pinay's work. It's helpful to see these resources. I read yesterday about two Jesuit churches in Rome that focused substantially in the late 16th and early 17th centuries on converting Jews to Christianity, to leave their small private communities and join the Christians, arguing in their sermons, artwork &c that Isaiah 7:14 is evidence that their Immanuel was indeed Jesus. One can see a turning point in attempts to convert Jews by the end of the 18th century, whereby wealthy Jews were able to move out of their smaller communities and accumulate greater wealth.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I also have plenty of posts exposing alleged conversos, Jews supposedly converting to Catholicism, and occasionaly becoming Bishops, whilst praising and practicing usury. There's also Gnostics infiltrating the church which is detailed on @hereisjorge twitter account. And I don't mean Gnostics, as in your next door neighbor that howls at the moon, but individuals working for states and intelligence opposed to true Catholicism.