Radical conspiracism as a tool of the ruling groups. History as the foundation of ethics.

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (97 children)

Dude, Jesuits, Zionists, they are the same. It doesn't matter if you think the Vatican is trying to grow, or if Israel is trying to grow. Obviously these are occultic fucks who don't care about religion, culture, or humans. That is all we need to know. They lie about their personal beliefs. You think these groups are anti-each other. They are not. They work hand-in-hand to manipulate those who follow them. SIMPLE.

Jews are involved, Jesuits are involved, Chinese communists are involved, American Christian Zionists are involved. Who gives a fuck if the Vatican is running the show or Israel? It's a charade, a ploy. These are their power-centers, if you got rid of one, they would pop up somewhere else.

It is a Hydra. Why waste any time delving into the dirty fangs and scales of one head? Look for the body, and then you'll understand u/JasonCarswell a bit better, I think.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

they are the same.

1,000,000% the same in all the ways that matter.

Petty tribalism and beliefs are irrelevant compared to the monstrous evil systems they orchestrate under all sorts of banners, excuses, and hypocrisies.

Even if they aren't, they are essentially the same to everyone with less than $100m, and we couldn't properly know any the important details anyway.

They cooperate/conspire together as they vie for position among themselves as the upper echelons of power do.

As far as I'm concerned, the B.I.S. is the top level - that I'm aware of.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

B.I.S.?

I agree on the details part, and pretty much everything else. I want to know their symbols and their actions, but trying to understand their philosophies is a waste of time. It's just evil, that's all it is. They are chronic liars, the lot of them. I'll only believe that they hate each other if someone got a transcript of their diary, or if they do what old leaders used to do, and have honor duels to the death. Other than that, it'd be pretty difficult to make me think otherwise. They all lie. Check. They all use occultic symbols to the nth degree. Check. They are supremacists. Check.

Maybe they are different, but to me, they are the same evil running wild. I think in the old world, the heads of the Hydra really vied for power more often, but nowadays, I think control has been consolidated.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements

The B.I.S. building is shaped like "a boot stamping on a human face, forever."

People in the B.I.S. are above all the banks, all the corporations, all the nations, and all the laws - and are freely pedos and worse.

I want to know their symbols and their actions,

Then keep studying Jesuit-critical content and subs.

but trying to understand their philosophies is a waste of time.

Agreed (mostly).

However, I'm not trying to understand the Jesuits. I'm trying to understand /u/HibikiBlack, why some like him think the Jesuits are over Zionists, AND why it matters. All this bickering thus far seems like a complete waste of time and distraction. This may be my last chance to be convinced it's worth learning about. (I'm trying to evolve beyond study towards alternatives, solutions, actions, and results.) If there's good reason I'll actually study their symbols, actions, and even some (alleged) philosophies.

It's just evil, that's all it is. They are chronic liars, the lot of them.

Yes, all ruling class and authority.

Maybe they are different, but to me, they are the same evil running wild.

Same. I don't care what their tribes are, their labels, corporations, secret agencies, NGOs I've never heard of. None of that ultimately matters at my level, and I'll never be privy to their secret secrets, nor know the names of all their exploited and victims.

I'm trying to extract the differences that matter out of him. He's failed to be clear, but that can happen when you're too deep in it. Or maybe he's just playing with us. Time will tell.

cc. /u/Jesus

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

I already told you, the CIA is an anti-Semitic organization. So by following most Ultra-Zionist world domination theories, you are not opposing the government in any meaningful way, you are helping it.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Redundant word salad that explains NOTHING.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Jews are not semitic. The CIA had Jewish directors and worked with Mossad. Until Jews stop funding Jewish agency and Zionist corporations that siphon money to Israel, there behavior will always be criticized. Also, Zionsit Jews, not Catholics, did 9/11 and demolished the towers.

THE CIA OF PAST, sure, they were originally anti-Jewish. The CIA was pro Arab nation until mossad assassinated JFK and RFK.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

"THE CIA OF PAST, sure, they were originally anti-Jewish. The CIA was pro Arab nation until mossad assassinated JFK and RFK."

I've never seen this before now. Any links?

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I meant it in a more pro-prejudice way. We're talking OSS days. They were not anti-Jewish, they were just more pro-masonic.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah yeah, yet Jews are still discriminated against despite there being ethnic Jews in positions of power. Didn't the Jesuits literally placed Jews in positions of power in the past? Hmmm...

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You can do better than promote the /s/Victimhood bullshit. Honest Jews are not the problem, and I know dozens of them personally.

Seems weird to say rothschilds would want to make things hard on jews

Not all Jews are rich and/or Zionists. Jews are just another breed of sheeple to be manipulated and exploited, and the Us vs Them situation can be exploited endlessly for this special group of tribal pawns.

context

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

The only reason I think it is important to at least understand their symbols is because these people do flaunt their shit right in our faces, and these symbols are intricately tied to their actions. I simply think it would help sniff out their more versatile, friendly heads. As a kid, I really liked occultic shit but didn't know because I didn't recognize their symbols.

But, they believe all manner of nonsense concerning these symbols and accompanied actions. I can't study that, no interest there. I think their actions say more about what they really believe, rather than the poodoo that comes out of their gaping maws.

The B.I.S. is intriguing. I am really glad to know it exists, thanks for sharing. Edit: that's not to say I like the damn thing, I just feel like I understand the "boot stamping on the face of humanity, forever" joke that is made in some circles.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Agreed on the symbols, to a point. Yes, they're often warnings, signatures, codes, etc. At the same time you can get too deep into it and be lost in something that may mean nothing at all, like pareidolia. The symbols help communicate to normies who are more symbol minded, but it can also hinder with others if you dwell on it too much.

It's a quote from Orwell's 1984. https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=boot+stamping+on+the+face+of+humanity+forever

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I knew the quote, I just didn't know there was a literal boot.

See, the symbols are real, Jason. They are just stupid, that's all. It is a waste to delve too deep into them, but they pop in historical research that shouldn't even be connected, like archaeology, and looking at annals or other old writings. Also, the symbols seem to originate in old old old societies (of our civilization, not some supposed Atlantean-era civilization), so that can't be ignored. But apart from that, they have no power.

These weird fucks just like to talk in riddles and tongues. Not my fault, ya know? Gotta know some of the lingo and imagery.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I knew the quote

I thought you would.

They are just stupid, that's all.

They, the powers that shouldn't be - and - they, the masses, are asses (idiots and beasts of burden).

but they pop

Great term. A new skeptics' term for /s/Terminology?...

Occult Symbol Pop (OSP) - a stand out occurrence of obvious secret symbology utilized by religions, secret societies, permanent deep state politics, the ruling class, and authority groups, yet mass awareness remains ambivalent, apathetic, oblivious, or people simply ignore these occulted (secret/coded) communications. Generally the meanings, numbers, signs, and symbols are unclear or unknown to the general public yet they "pop out" as secret messages to the powerful groups using their signs, as well as to conspiracy analysts who understand the deeper meanings, study history, and are skeptics of power and truth-seekers. Occult symbol pops are especially notable when they appear where they should not exist, such as implausible coincidences in archeology, left behind like criminal fingerprints or notorious signatures of cultish organizations.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I think that I did forget an "out" or an "up" after pop, but upon second glance, I realize it could be in reference to their pop culture, as in, what is popular amongst them.

It would be nice to see it all presented in a coherent manner, so that all the oddities and "coincidences" can be recorded.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you want to observe the boasting of Zionist supremacy before 9/11 look up the 50min video made by Apocalypse youtube channel on the boasting of 9/11 from around 1985 - 2001 in comic books, largely Jewish invented and controlled; on films, TV, magazines, in children's shows, etc. They boast about what they are going to do before they do it. They are psychopathic Cabalist Jews, which the Cabala positions the Jewish people as devine and non-Jews having three satanic aphere born only to serve the Jews.

Remember these are supremacist Jews, and have no relation with humanist Jews like Israel Shahak.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, that makes sense, but I kinda like it better. The pop culture thing is also a great tie in. Yes, their pop culture is problematic on many levels.

On the eventual site and in one of my /s/LeverMind videos I'm going to explain why I won't give a fuck about their copyright bullshit. They force their pop culture on us that we're supposed to support/purchase/buy but we're not allowed to participate in our own fucking culture or they nail us for making our own shit with their IPs on it. Fortunately satire and fair use allow us a bit of leeway. Further, they slander (ie. Burning Man) or stomp on all alternative cultures, alternative media, etc. with their armies of lawyers. And now YouTube, once an alternative to TV, has now been appropriated by the legacy media.

It would be nice to see it all presented in a coherent manner, so that all the oddities and "coincidences" can be recorded.

Sounds good, but I'm not sure how you might do this. Of course WikiSpooks (and/or InfoGalactic) is where I would do it.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with neologizing new words! Lawyers do it all the time with legalses but really do it to make words mean their opposite for evil goals.

Lets take back the dictionary!

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I had a good post on the structure of BIS which illustrated that it was full of former communist sympathizers, neo-liberals and Zionists. I'll have to find it.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes please. Find it, post it, and CC me and Earendil.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

No, wrong, Jesuits were an arm of the Catholic church who have zero control over anything anymore. You had pious Jesuits who taught Indians trades and protected them from the racism of kings and colonizers. There were Jesuits who worked in monastaries and helped the weak, sick and poor.

Today's Jesuits are all Marrano Jews. Pope Bergoglio is a Jew and a Zionist.

Jews are involved, Jesuits are involved, Chinese communists are involved, American Christian Zionists are involved.

Zionist Jews are involved, 'Jesuits' don't exist anymore except in name only, they are all Marrano Jews; Chinese Communism was started by Jews:

https://fitzinfo.net/2021/07/19/how-jews-took-over-china-an-created-chinese-communism/

and American Christian Zionists are either Freemasonic preachers or simply ignorant because of the Scofield bible which was wirtten by a man who was being paid by Zionist Jews.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

https://fitzinfo.net/2021/07/19/how-jews-took-over-china-an-created-chinese-communism/

I'll go through this site. Looks interesting.

I am unconvinced that the cult believes Zionistic rhetoric. I personally think it is just another front, but the most successful and powerful front, therefore I am more on your side than Hibiki. Besides from your Catholicism, you are 100% fine in my book. Hibiki likes occult-writers and denies Jewish power.

You guys probably look similar to a scrub, though.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't believe everything this site says, it has an anti-Eurasianist bias, which, honestly, is fine in my book considering Putin grew up studying the Talmud and loves Chabad. The Hegalian dialectic being played is the East vs. West rhetoric. The only losers are the normal people.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You guys probably look similar to a scrub, though.

:-(

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I don't mean it personally. As a former scrub, I just wanted you know that. I am still desiring to see you do a post on the the whole incorporated aspect of our governments, and what that means for citizens of said governments. You bring up some of the most interesting topics, and source them well. Hibiki does too, but I remember them from my Reddit days. I never liked his focus on Catholics being the most evil of all evil.

Rome is evil, and everything tied to Rome cannot escape that evil taint, but Zionists are much worse. They are all over the US. The average US citizen probably thinks Rome is home to pedo priests. They love Israel though.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sure, but keep in mind that there is a 4% frequency of preists of the Catholic church according to FBI and other agencies who sexually abuse persons under 18. Evangelicals it is 3% or lower. While Orthodox Jews it is 5% and teachers it is around 7%. So frequency wise, public school teachers are the greatest offenders but we only ever here about the Catholic church on teh Zionsit Jew controlled media, I wonder why.

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Do you have any links for these stats? I'm going to peruse the net to look into this, because I am interested in why they would highly publicize only the Catholic sex offenders (I mean, I am assuming because the Jews are higher, but I need something to look at here) this is news to me.

Now, I don't like catholics for many reasons. The abuses done against the Insular Celts was horrible, and that was my family. We literally get our names from being involved in that church in Scotland. I don't care much for the Insular views (what little we know about them) but I do care about injustice. The other churches at that time were worse though, from what I can gather. And, Catholicism was replaced with something more sinister. I just have never once trusted a single pope, or any Roman idea. They are known for co-opting the religions of their slaves.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not on me, but I can try to find the studies. Try searching on searx or through pubmed studies. I'm of Denis Fahey ideology. That means non-violent intervention. The Catholic church is an institution with historical corruption but it also brought much to this world as well. Today, the Church is anything but Catholic.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

How does Yale's Skull & Bones support of Mao tie into that?

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Many Yale alumni became officals in Mao's regime and/or supported him. They were all Jews.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ah. That makes more sense. For some reason I just assumed Yale was mostly WASPs. It may be (or may not be?), but more importantly is who gets selected for the role.

Also, I never understood the Jewish-Chinese connection. Jews eating Chinese food on Christmas or whatever - I just assumed it was because neither were closed or doing "traditional" stuff on Christmas.

Also also, I lived in the Grange in Toronto in 1995-1996 and on the first floor was a mall with a famous restaurant, "Ginsberg & Wongs". Their food was good but forgettable, and my only memory is of the marketing of their history and juxtaposing cultures.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (65 children)

They aren't the same. Jesuits are a certain philosophical group with certain goals and the Jews have completely different objectives. If you don't realize this, you will be manipulated.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

You believe their lies. You and I only know their symbols and actions edit: Not their personal beliefs. They use the same symbols, and their actions are inextricably tied together. I will not believe one of them to explain to me their views.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There you go. You are falling for the extreme conspiracism that I mentioned, thinking that you can't judge history regardless of your effort. And you guys think the CIA goons don't have influence on you...

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Extreme conspiracism is flat-earth, or the Queen is a lizard-person. Or, perhaps, what you are doing, and others on this site. In your world, there are all these powerful cults/cabals/clubs who go up against each other. In the real world, there is the cult that swallows all cults, and then authoritarians who know about the cult and utilizes its tricks to get an upper hand. Ultimately, they are the enemy.

But in your world, only the club or cult you choose to focus on is the enemy. You leave out all the allies of the jesuits, and pretend that they are somehow not the same. If their philosophies are different, I'd want to hear them debate it. Oh, no, I'll only ever find them talking about it in some controlled way. I won't believe chronic liars to be honest about their own beliefs.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I'm tired of conspiracy theorists like HibikiBlack and EliFromTheBook, among others, who think they have the secret insights and knowledge that we don't - and refuse to share or explain it, much less present it rationally. I know a crazy lady near me who thinks she's the secret Queen of Canada, among other woo stuff (NOT joking). Her heart is good and she delivers /s/Druthers papers, but I wonder if she makes a bad impression for our community.

I won't miss pointless debate when I'm making videos.

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but I wonder if she makes a bad impression for our community.

And, I'm descended from Jesus, Guardian of the Holy Grail. Did I never tell you? /s

Yeah, she's probably turning some people away from dissident/conspiracy information.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, she's probably turning some people away from dissident/conspiracy information.

She also claims to have rare inside knowledge above other skeptics (so tired of that shtick). She really likes to talk, but only with people she trusts, allegedly. I haven't seen her interact with others, so I don't know how much of her confidential crazy talk gets out. She delivers papers in Windsor, so that's good. Her friends must know her well enough. And she's old and feeble so her mobility is limited. She's a Luddite so she's "contained". Apparently she was abducted when younger. I think that was true, but the real question is whether it was by villains or doctors or villainous doctors. She may have been MK Ultraed for all we know.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You haven't explained anything.

Explain clearly and win us over. We're really willing to be convinced, if you can. But you haven't even tried.

Stop with the insults and links and lay out their grand plan clearly in a logical convincing manner. (Save the links and details for if/when we actually ask for them.) Until you do this you are wasting all of our time and energy.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (57 children)

EXPLAIN the differences and WHY they matter.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (56 children)

Jews are a very materialist and pro-nationalist group, the Jesuits are radical supernaturalists that see the material world as a corruption that shouldn't exist. Since the Jews are such a unified and naturalist group, the Jesuits hate them.

A lot of the Jews that always get sold out to us as Ultra-Zionist lunatics are actually traitors towards their own people like the Rothschilds or the Bolsheviks for example, the Jesuits have their own different set of objectives working with the different Catholic groups in the Vatican and the CIA.

So by following most Ultra-Zionist world domination conspiracy theories, most conspiracists aren't opposing the government in any meaningful way, they even help it spread disinfo.

I can't make it anymore clear than that.

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"So by following most Ultra-Zionist world domination conspiracy theories, most conspiracists aren't opposing the government in any meaningful way, they even help it spread disinfo."

If we all believed it was the Vatican and not Israel, would we all of a sudden have a fire lit under our asses? Most "conspiracy theorists" are religious nutjobs or armchair researchers. Then, there are geeks and dissidents, these people do something with their knowledge that is anti-gov. Then, there are the legitimate researchers and whistleblowers and the like. Are you just talking about armchair researchers and religious nutjobs?

Personally, I know for a fact that "Jewish" and lots of other "Hebrew" people are a bane on the human race. Their track record is clear to see if one wants to look at the past two thousand years. You said the Vatican destroyed your town. It seems personal to you. If I was like you, I'd only blame the Jews for the cult.

Grow up. The cult is everywhere. It's the same beast these days. Maybe you could argue this case a few hundred or so years ago, but not today. Power is consolidated.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Muh boi, I just can't follow the idea that a lot of people continue to defend the Greater Israel narratives after finding out the Rothschilds are a group of Jewish traitors in service to the Vatican, and that the Vatican itself owns the lands of Israel, with the Jesuits being the most anti-Semitic and anti-Nationalist group in the world.

Sure I admit my hatred towards the Vatican but what do you want me to say? Every single relevant figure involved in the Corona crisis is related to the Jesuits. The NWO as a capitalist movement? Fabricated by the Jesuits in order to reach the Omega Point.

I'm pretty sure they even control all the intelligence agencies. They are not the type of group to be underestimated at all... People need to do their research...

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They are related to each other. It's the same to most people who look into it.

Israel is a power-center of the cult. The vatican is as well. It's that simple. The cult uses these legal identities to hide. That simple.

The cult has their own name for themselves. A dozen of play-names.

You are just convinced it's JUST Jesuits. Reminds me of the people you say blame only Jews. Some people do that.

I look beyond that. However, the Jewish face of the cult destroyed my family and scattered us to the winds, how can I forget that? I won't blame them for the worlds problems though, they share the blame with the rest of the cult, which is hiding in all sorts of places, like the Vatican.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Truth. (As I see it.)

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I don't know man, I wouldn't bother about the differences that much if people were more objective about judging the groups, but overall people are hardly objective at all when it comes to the things I mentioned.

Since the Roths for example are a group in service to the Vatican, you can't properly think about them as "Zionist Jews" the way a lot of people tend to associate them. They work for the most anti-Semitic group in the world, they are anything but a traditionalist Zionist... but people can't think about the Rothschilds as Vatican goons.

And well, there's a bunch of things about Israel itself that can be criticized about, I don't actually tell people not to do that, I mock the "Jewish World Domination" theories because they don't actually exist and are literally Catholic/CIA propaganda.

I've yet to see a single conspiracist judging both sides objectively the way I described, that's why I tell my followers to go full anti-Zionist if they want, even full pro-Palestinian retard if that's what makes them happy. But reject the Jewish World Domination theories. I don't see what's the point in pushing the antagonism against the Jews any further than that. Usually when most people see groups of Jews doing bad things, they lose their reasoning for the most part and stop trying to think if It's actual Zionist Jews doing the thing or if It's another Jesuit thing being done as a decoy.

I don't know man that's just my observations. I've been doing this shit for years.

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I've never mentioned the Roths. Do you see what I am meaning? You are fixated.

Jewish people fucked over the Scottish clans during the 1700-1800's. Many of the current clan chieftains are from Jewish lines. These people aren't Catholics or Jesuits. They are Jewish. However, from what I can tell, a cult hides in that religion, much like it does in Catholicism.

It's the same cult.

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It's not some secret cult, sect, clan, whatever.

It's the ruling class, lots of folks from all walks despite some dominant tribes. IMO this term cannot be confused nor disinfoed.

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I just used the Roths as a reference, and I'm not saying the Jews are above criticism at all either.

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Rothschilds are as Rabbinical as they come. They are the definition of Jews and give billions to Jewish causes that Jews willingly accept.

Sure I admit my hatred towards the Vatican but what do you want me to say? Every single relevant figure involved in the Corona crisis is related to the Jesuits. The NWO as a capitalist movement? Fabricated by the Jesuits in order to reach the Omega Point.

I'm pretty sure they even control all the intelligence agencies. They are not the type of group to be underestimated at all... People need to do their research...

The Vatican was taken over by Rabbinites ie., Jews. Bergoglio IS A JEW. All the major vaccine creators for teh corona virus are Jews. But the corona crisis is a corproate agenda.

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Wrong, Jews CAN be markedly tribal but the less Jew they are the less supremacist and more universal they become. Universalist Jews are closer to Christ than blood inclined racial tribal Jews. Most Jews today are ethnonationalists even the self-proclaimed progressives.

Jesuits are supernaturalists and believe that only thru Christ can we be saved. They dicate a worl where Christian principals dominate which of course did not happen and is not being followed because Jesuits are not in control and today's 'Jesuits' are marranos.

that see the material world as a corruption that shouldn't exist.

Wrong, that's gnostic 'Christians.' jesuits see a role for the physical body but only to do the will of Christ. God creatded this world but he does not rule it.

A lot of the Jews that always get sold out to us as Ultra-Zionist lunatics are actually traitors towards their own people like the Rothschilds or the Bolsheviks for example, the Jesuits have their own different set of objectives working with the different Catholic groups in the Vatican and the CIA.

Peres, Netanyahu, Torah rabbis that think non-Jews are subhuman animals?

So by following most Ultra-Zionist world domination conspiracy theories, most conspiracists aren't opposing the government in any meaningful way, they even help it spread disinfo.

I don't want to oppose the government if it protects us from another revolution that you advocate for.

Without the intervention of God, via the Holy Ghost, cultures/races/nations are predisposed to the immoral inclinations of their genetics and/or ingrained cultural beliefs.

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Thanks for starting to explain.

Jews are a very materialist and pro-nationalist group,

This is a broad stereotype that may apply to many, but certainly doesn't cover all of them. Putting that aside, this opinion is irrelevant.

the Jesuits are radical supernaturalists that see the material world as a corruption that shouldn't exist.

All religious groups are into woo and sin. Again, irrelevant.

Since the Jews are such a unified and naturalist group, the Jesuits hate them.

Now we're getting somewhere, but it's still unclear.

I understand unified - and Zionists, as well as all media/governments, are pretty good at dividing people.

What do you mean by naturalist? As extreme examples, Sabbateans think perversions are natural, authoritarians think a police state is natural, and "eco-terrorists" think saving nature is natural. You also said "supernaturalists" which I assumed meant believing in God, myth, and woo. I suppose non-super naturalism is a synonym for materialism.

A lot of the Jews that always get sold out to us as Ultra-Zionist lunatics are actually traitors towards their own people like the Rothschilds or the Bolsheviks for example,

All of the ruling class are traitors to their own peoples. Most anti-Zionists will tell you that they are not good Christians or Jews or whatever and they use the masses of their kind as human shields. This is not new.

the Jesuits have their own different set of objectives working with the different Catholic groups in the Vatican and the CIA.

I've already assumed that. What are these different objectives? How are they different? Why does it make any difference to us?

Most folks who shit on Zionist warmongers also shit on the Vatican pedos - among both of their many other crimes.

It seems you're arguing that one group is over the other group and it matters. Most folks here think Zionists are slightly higher but really it doesn't matter. It still seems moot.

I still don't see any clear distinction worth all this fuss.

So by following most Ultra-Zionist world domination conspiracy theories, most conspiracists aren't opposing the government in any meaningful way, they even help it spread disinfo.

Zionists/Globalists are more powerful than governments and their puppets. It doesn't matter if your resisting locally, regionally, nationally, or globally as long as you're punching up. Resisting against your local justice system won't solve your national government corruption or globalist eugenics agendas but it must be done all the same at all levels.

"Meaningful way" is subjective. Everyone has their own activism, meaning, purpose, and fulfillment. Some prefer to be anonymous, some not. Some talk and some act. Some throw bombs and some do peaceful rallies. Some are into woo and some just analyze power. Some do politics and some conspiracy. Some try to be autodidacts in all realms.

Give me 3 examples, no more, no less, of how it went wrong and how it would have been better (more meaningful) opposing government if we were to recognize that Jesuits are over Zionists.

Like it or not, disinfo is part of the game and is the hand we're dealt. All we can do is our best to counter it with better info, and hopefully keep the fires of rebellion alive while developing new concepts and tools to share the resistance.

I still don't see any clear distinction worth all this fuss.

So you want to resist in meaningful ways and avoid spreading disinfo.

Regardless of the Jesuit/Zionist debate, we see problems and propaganda all around. There's no end to them. We need alternatives and solutions. What do you propose? What are you willing to do? Talk is one thing, and sharing information is important - but taking action can be more important (depending on the scenario).

I can't make it anymore clear than that.

It's a start. You can clarify, if you want to authentically respond to this. If you beat about the issues or don't answer directly folks will see it, especially if I call it out.

(Feel free to copypasta or respond to this comment in a new post if you like.)

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I'm sorry Jason, this isn't something I respect at all. You are ignoring the history and philosophy of both groups in order to fit your narrative. Extreme conspiracism at its finest.

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HibbSS, we get it, you're a nazi for the eradication of the Church and Jesuitism. It's fine, they have already been destroyed by Talmudics, Freemasons and Jews.

The trend of the 21st century is teh Jewish century. That is, Zionist Jews getting away with crimes of mass proportions.

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I thought we were getting somewhere. I guess you fooled me. You CIA?

I don't respect your non-answer. Giving up like this without adequate explanation is classic shill behaviour bullshit.

If you can't explain why all this actually matters then you're 1) full of shit, 2) a shitty communicator, 3) a shitty representative of anti-Jesuits, 4) a tribalist, 5) a believer of woo, 6) a timesuck, and/or 7) here to infiltrate, distract, divide, and disrupt SaidIt. Perhaps all, perhaps none, perhaps variations, or perhaps something I haven't considered.

You CAN do better. But will you?

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LMAO at this. Can you explain to me how is the Greater Israel theory plausible after finding out that the Roths are a group of Jewish traitors in service to the Vatican and that the Vatican owns the lands of Israel? With the Jesuits being the downright most anti-Semitic group on earth? I would like to see you try Jason. I already gave you all the links.

For whatever It's worth, I think I tried my best to explain things and the last thing I want is ill will among us Saiditors...

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LMAO at this. Can you explain to me how is the Greater Israel theory plausible

The Holocaust was just a magic number in the 1800s but they made it happen, allegedly - and forced the "Jews" to settle in other nations and what is now Israel. The Balfour Declaration was just a piece of paper. Now it's a nation, allowed to be the only apartheid nation in the world, allowed to have nukes and not declare them, allowed to be the secret number six in the Five Eyes surveilling the world, allowed to cause shit in the region without consequence, allowed to support all the evils of the world, including 9/11 and ISIS, and is illegally expanding by taking over parts of Syria - with no indication of stopping. Before you say I'm being selectively anti-Zionist, I'll also point out their ally Saudi Arabia was also similarly manufactured and hosts another evil, Wahhabism, supported by the West and Zion.

after finding out that the Roths are a group of Jewish traitors in service to the Vatican and that the Vatican owns the lands of Israel?

I just don't give a shit about these details or any of this crap, whether they're true or not. Why? Because you haven't bothered to EXPLAIN WHY IT ACTUALLY MATTERS. You keep avoiding this.

With the Jesuits being the downright most anti-Semitic group on earth? I would like to see you try Jason. I already gave you all the links.

I don't care.
Fuck your links.
Fuck the Zionists.
Fuck the Jesuits.
Fuck the distinctions without any differences.
MAKE ME UNDERSTAND AND CARE.
Explain why it actually matters.
Or you're just a tribalist timesuck.

For whatever It's worth, I think I tried my best to explain things and the last thing I want is ill will among us Saiditors...

No - you copped out, with "this isn't something I respect at all." Go back and properly respond as I did. Start back here. It's not too late to win us over by explaining clearly, but you may soon loose your chance with me. We're willing to understand, but communication takes two.

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Part 1

The Rothschilds were originally against the establishment of a Jewish enthnostate. There are written transcripts in the Rothschild archives illustrating this. Due to their philanthropy with Jewish (rabbinate) causes in the 19th century, they believed establishing an ethnostate would cause more problems than not. It was when they aligned with British Israelism did they switch sides. Keep in mind, plutocratic Jews and Jewish banking houses have had a love hate relationship with the British; hence, the bombing of the King David Hotel or the sometimes violent competition between the British East India Company/British trade corporations and the Jewish trade corporations/banking houses such as the Loebs, Rothschilds, Gubzburgs, Sassoons, etc. What they gladly agreed with was their hatred for the common rural man in the US. In fact, by 1857 the Sassoons had taken over the trade routes and profits of the British East India company, totally monopolizing the opium trade, as detailed by Mary Kienholz in her book 'Opium Traders and Their World' Volume two. Still, the intermarriage between British royalty and Jewish plutocracy was frequent.

British Israelism promised a Jewish presence in Palestine with the declaration that the native Arab population remain in tact. This so-called treaty was more like a decree, which involved a secret promise that plutocratic Jews in the US would persuade Americans, or rather the US political class, to fight on the side of England against Germany when Americans were staunchly pro-Isolationist; even up to world war two would Americans remain as such, that is until Pearl Harbor which was used as the catalyst to intervene, though it only swayed a minority to the pro-interventionist side. Holding the majority of war bonds were plutocratic Jews in America: scholars proclaim that this makes sense considering Jewish persecution in Europe. They write that is was for 'moral' reasons.

Moreover, we see wealthy Zionist Jews forging documents and stealing land during the Ottoman empire and we also can observe the Kaiser and Templar groups trying to but failing to set up a colony in Jaffa for Templar control. The colonization/settler effort in Palestine was and always is a commercial endeavor. Rothschild's were little talked about in the Basel Zionist 'eugenics' congresses but what was talked about was the need to establish a Jewish state in Israel. The congresses were funded and incorporated by over 900 corporations, Jew and non-Jews alike. These ideologues, through Jewish banking houses in NYC, the Palestine Land Development Corporation, Herzl and his comrades who held public securities which they more than likely cashed in; were front and center in this commercial endeavor, and when they weren't forging documents and covertly stealing land, they funded radical revisionist Ziofascist Jewish terrorist groups, such as the Irgun, Haganah, Lehi and the Stern Gang who pillaged, raped, destroyed, murdered and plundered natives off their land.

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What's the point in me keep explaining things when you clearly don't care about the facts?

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Part 4

Yes, they say they go to Church but they're cyrpto-Jews. The Vatican is in fact a crypto-Jewish organization since its takeover.

Knights of Malta membership list including David Rockefeller, Amschel Mayer von Rothschild, Allen Dulles and more. David Rockefeller on population control and depopulation.

Wrong, you're thinking of the Knights of Malta masonic organization, which the real Catholic church condemned. There are two knights of Maltas. A Catholic group and masonic group. Rockefeller comes from the Rockefellos family in Russia who in the 15th century were hated for their monopoly of the wheat industry. In the book, the Sephardi Elite, the Rockefellers are a Jewish family. They are Jews.

The Rockefeller Foundation created the WHO & funds U.S. Public Health.

Yes, and a communist also helped to create the WHO, but the Rockefellers are plutocratic Jews.

How Rockefeller wiped out natural cures to create the big pharma cartel.

Indeed.

John D. Rockefeller’s 1882 Organization of the Standard Oil Trust the First in the Commercial History of the World Was Modeled After the Jesuit Order from First-Hand Contact with Mexican Jesuits.

Wrong. This is a fallacy pushed by the supremacist Jewish pundits of the Jesuits are the synagogue of satan theory. Accusations include that Hitler was a Jesuit or that a Jesuit wrote Mein Kampf, which I debunked in its entirety in a post on one of your subs, which you censored and then banned me! The correct reason is that organizations took the Jesuit brotherly love and incorporation structure due to their loyalty to their rules and Christ and made it their own. That does not mean that those who took inspiration from Jesuit structures were Jesuits who worshipped Christ. It is like claiming Weishaupt, the Jewish member of the Bavarian Illuminati, among other Jewish members, were actually blue lodge masons, because Weishaupt infiltrated and stole masonic rites for his order from this lodge. Really, he infiltrated and subverted one type of lodge for another, that of the parasitical book masonry which is Jewish Scottish rite among others who do not order members to withhold from political machinations.

Connection Between the Rockefeller Foundation, Johns Hopkins, and Gates Foundations.

All plutocratic Jews.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, point man on coronavirus, is a {Jesuit}Holy Cross alum", Boston-Globe, March 17th 2020. Mullis PCR inventor talking about Anthony Fauci. The CDC’s swine Flu Fraude of 1976.

Fauci is an Abys, his grandmother came from Switzerland. He is a Jew of Italian-Swiss ancestry and his ancestry on his mother's side is of rabbinical Jews. Going to a Jesuit university such as Hollycross, which is public to anyone, my relatve went there, does not make you a Jesuit.

Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea. (Reuters 2009) Big Pharma fined around $14 Billion in 5 years.

Pfizer is Jewish Zionist owned.

LMAO at this. Can you explain to me how is the Greater Israel theory plausible after finding out that the Roths are a group of Jewish traitors in service to the Vatican and that the Vatican owns the lands of Israel?

They don't own Israel. Israel LLC is owned by Jews who own the Israel corporation. Which in its constitution ie., in company rules, maintains that a Jewish majority must always be maintained. I'd be more worried about Bennet and the Yinon revisionist Zionists who did 9/11 and want to implement a Greater Israel either with help from the US and if not, than help from a multilateral world once the US collapses or loses its empire status. It's an ongoing agenda.

With the Jesuits being the downright most anti-Semitic group on earth?

Do you mean anti-Jew(ish)? Anti-Semitism is a misnomer. The most prolific anti-Semitic groups on the planet, if we can even use that word in its demented meaning, are the Likudniks and Khazarian converted plutocratic Jews, ie., the Ashkenazi mafia who blamed 9/11 on Palestinians and Arabs! But if I'm anti-Semitic or if the Jesuits were, that makes then opposed to Hebrew and Arabic languages, lol. The word makes no sense. Sure Christians will always be opposed to Islam and rabbinism which is in fact anti-Judaism as the only true Jew, really we should call him the only true Judahite Hebrew, being perfect in God's eyes, was Christ, whose new covenant supersedes the old, making it obsolete. If you must, call Catholic Jesuits anti-Judaic, which they're not! Think for a second! Many former Jews were members of the incorporation of the Jesuit order, the majority were gentiles. But they considered themselves former Jews only by ancestry, or practiced Judaism at one point in time but truthfully converted to Christianity. Marranos, however, were Jews pretending to be Christians to destroy the church. And I will not deny that there was Jewish persecution by certain crusaders, which only helped to increase Jesuit infiltration.

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Part 3

Furthermore, the royal houses of Britain saw the machinations, division and blackmail of aristocracy. There was competing factors here as well, all of course contrary to the welfare of the plebeians and rural class.

Secondly, Plutocratic Jews are often tribal and nepotistic. But this isn't the case for most anti-Zionist humanist Jews who number far fewer. Whilst they don't profess Christ, they often see Him as someone to follow in an atheistical humanist way. This, off course, can at times, devolve into demoralization or the erasure of Christian principals concerning sex, property and family but this is a small problem due to the fact that their Jewish Zionist opposition, those Zionist racial blood-inclined plutocratic Jews and their neo-Trotskyites, despite preaching the necessity of family and motherly nurture to their own ideologues, work to destroy these principals in non-Jewish cultures.

The Rothschilds were sold out to us as the biggest Ultra-Zionist group out there, but I already showed you how they are a bunch of traitors.

It would be best you tell them to stop funding orthodox Jewish rabbinates and propping up Jewish agency organizations around the world. They are Jewish philanthropists for Jews and only Jews. Anyone who wants to know if the Vatican is Catholic or Talmudic might want to search mauricepinay.blogspot.com, callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com or search their twitters: @mauricepinay and @hereisjorge. They give detailed accounts of the judaic takeover of the Catholic church and Jesuitism. The church is entirely controlled by Bergoglio whose mother was Jewish and her grandmother was Jewish. He is rabbinically Jewish and praises Talmudists who hate Christ and has in his office a depraved painting of Jesus with the talmudic rabbinate inscription, 'blot out his name.' Provably, Bergoglio is fronting the Noahide agenda which is Jewish supremacy, NOT CATHOLIC.

They even allowed the Vatican to get the lands of Israel, the Jesuits the most anti-Semitic group on earth.

Because the Vatican is Talmudically controlled, duh! Of course, your claim isn't true but what would it matter either way? Israel is a Jewish theocracy, allowing secular Jewish degeneracy as long as the Jews remain tribal and ethnonationalistic, hence Tel Aviv being the gayest city in the world, surpassing San Francisco. Yet, simultaneously, all Jews in Israel have to serve in the terrorist Israeli Defense Forces and you concurrently have theocratic Zionist orthodox hassidic Jews directing the IDF who have publicly proclaimed that in Talmudic law raping non-Jews in a time of strife or war by Jewish soldiers is noble in order to benefice the fighting ability of the Jewish soldier by satisfying his sexual thirst.

How can a Zionist Jew in California bomb and kill a Palestinian in California while he is sleeping in his camper (yup, this happened), flee to Israel and then become a prominent member of the Knesset and a lawyer who has the Chutzpah to publicly defame war criminal Netanyahu and sue him multiple times. Just think of how depraved and odd this is, Jewish supremacist kabuki theater on a level that one just has to shake his/her head in disbelief.

I don't respect the Greater Israel narratives at all they are the same old stories that they pushed in Europe.

Because they're true and not an ideology of all Jews.

All the Jews that you keep seeing in positions of power? Well they got thousands of Jews in power during the Bolshevik revolution and the whole movement was in great part the black pope play to frame the Jews.

No it wasn't. No evidence exists for this, tens of thousands of Catholics were liquidated and Jesuits openly wrote encyclicals against the formation of communism in Russia.

Why are the Jews discriminated against and researched in the CIA when some ethnic Jews have taken positions of power in the past?

They're not. Not anymore at least.

Because It's another shitty Hegelian Dialectic they set up.

No, it's not. And why do you always conflate Jews with tribalistic ethnonationalist Jews, as if that's the only Jewish ideology?

Fitzinfo's fallacy of the Jesuit conspiracy, see here proves your theories wrong.

Also, considering you call yourself an SS member on reddit and the fact that you now post about muslim rape gangs, hate the CIA but negate to admit that there are two CIA's who were opposed to each other; source freemasons and Jews who proclaim that JFK faked his death; hate Christ and Catholicism; call me a "CIA fuck," I'd wager your useless_aether or working with him. Both you and him sourced Loftus, the Jewish Zionist and various other Zionists. So my idea of you is that you proclaim ethnonationalist Judaism or at least work for its benefit because it might benefit your own ethnonationalism.

Secondly, the Vatican vaccination mandate for a terrible disease 200 years ago is not in anyway connected to the vaccines being mandated by Israeli Jews.

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is a Jesuit Missionary Congregation.

No, wrong. Gates are Goetz who are openly Jewish and Melinda praised Chabad. Jesuits would never praise Chabad.

Bill Gates Reveals Family Goes to Catholic Church. Bill Gates: "People act like they have a choice.You don't have a choice. Normalcy only returns when we've largely vaccinated the entire global population.”

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Part 2

Take in point, rabbi Dov Zakheim. He is an ordained Orthodox Jew of the hassidic chabad-Lubavitch sect which works a lot like Christianity in regards to their proselytizing efforts. That is, they work with their wealth to proselytize all Jews AND NON-JEWS to the cult of noahide. Though, they believe that those who worship Jesus is blasphemous and that their noachide laws call for their beheading. How nice! Certainly this can be observed as naturalistically internationalist and simultaneously tribal. I know what the noachide laws and world rule from Jerusalem entails. Do you?

As to Dov’s hell-raiser lineage, Judicial Inc points out that Grandpa Zakheim was born in 1870, Julius Zakheim (Zhabinka), in the Ukraine, a Russian rabbi who married a relative of Karl Marx! Yes, the founder of communism who was a cousin of a Rothschild. In fact, Zakheim admits to his Rothschild and Schneerson ancestry. The claim that this 'good American' Zakheim, who was a suspect in the 9/11 events, was nationalistic and anti-communist is a misnomer. For plutocratic Jews shape-shift for political expediency. So here is Zakheim's grandpa who was a Menshevik/Bolshevik and played a leading role in the 1905 turmoil that paved the way for the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.

Now consider the Bolshevik master plan, which called for the state of Israel, only after the realized that they might lose control of Russia, which was chosen for its proximity to the world's oil and an area of religious significance.

Dov’s Father, Rabbi Jacob I. Zakheim was born in 1910 and reared in Poland’s swarm of Zionist hard guys, read assassins and bombers. His Polish town, near Bilaystok, also brought us Yitzhak Shir, and family friends included Jewish terrorist Menachem Begin and Moshe Arens. Dov’s father was an active member of Betar, formed in 1923 in Riga, Latvia. Its goal was to control the Middle East (and its oil). It was advocated by many wealthy Jews that the Jewish people needed their own country and they chose Palestine and claimed it a Jewish state “on both sides of the Jordan.”

Betar was in essence a terrorist organization formed because Zionists were sick of being chased from and arrested in country after country. They wanted both a place to escape and a base for their power, which is now Israel llc.

Betar joined forces with the Haganah, Irgun, and Stern gangs. With no prospect of a Jewish state in sight, they argued that armed struggle against the British was the only way. Since Britain occupied Palestine and was containing them they went on a blood feast of bombings that killed hundreds of British soldiers. The British pulled out, but the Zionists continue to maul the Arabs to this day.

For an interesting look at “The United States and the Recognition of Israel: A Chronology” compiled from Harry S. Truman and the Founding of Israel by Michael T. Benson, link above.

Returning to Dov: he was born in Brooklyn in 1943 and attended exclusive Jewish schools, spent summers in Israel Zionist camps, which trained the Zionists of the future. From 1973 to 75, he attended the London school of Jewish studies, described as a “Harry Potter” type cauldron; among the subjects Jewish supremacy, Advanced Bible, Talmud, Jewish Mysticism, Holocaust, Anglo-Judaica, and Zionism. After, he was ordained a Rabbi.

So, here we see connections between Zionist Jews and Bolshevik Jews. The motif here is Jewish tribalist ethnonationalism and when they didn't have a nation, Jewish tribalism at the expense of non-Jews.