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[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (122 children)

Like it or not, the conspiracy movement by itself is mostly a satanic thing related to the government, so different, more sophisticated groups need to be created in order to resist the influence of the bad intelligence groups.

What do you have in mind?

How would you rebrand skepticism/conspiracism?

I have a few ideas.

I don't see conspirophiles, conspiritualists, or even conspiretards as being Satanic in any way.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (121 children)

I'm not saying that being a conspiracist by itself is bad. But the movement has a lot of bad aspects to it and it was actually planned years ago by the Jezzies. Read H.G Wells and his book "Open Conspiracy where he talks about this stuff. The main weaknesses that it has:

Conservatives that are conspiracists tend to overly support capitalism, ignorong the NWO is mostly capitalist.

Conspiracists have a tendency to support only the theories that support their ideas, regardless of historial accuracy.

Extreme conspiracism keeps you passive and without taking action.

Overall, most conspiracist don't like intellectual work and end up supporting theories for the fun of it instead of finding the truth.

The entire conspirational patriot movement is a disinfo tool of the government. Sure, they can't completely control it and the information that a lot of us share does affect the government and companies in a bad fashion, but as long as most of us don't embrace revolution we aren't that much of a thread. H.G Wells was related to the Jesuit Teilhard, pretty much every relevant figure in the globalist movement was related to him.

I take measures to avoid this. My black pill is that we have to set up a revolution before the Jesuits complete the perfect communism. And while I do embrace the conspiracist tag, I consider myself more of a historian than a conspiracist. I'm known as the conspiracist who has collected over a thousand records of factual conspiracies.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (107 children)

Also, you've not outlined any actionable ideas.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (106 children)

My idea is to create sophisticated counter-intelligence sites and gather as much information on the Vatican as possible while at the same time create enough nationalists guilds like to create a revolution. (I'm cynical about my chances of success, but unlike most of my friends, I at least want to try) I don't think you can resist the government through non-violence in a meaningful way besides blocking a bill or something. The only way I see your ideas to work is let society destroy itself and rebuild it in the wild. A lot of my friends want to do this actually...

[–]Earendil 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Society is not worth saving. People are. Ideas are.

But society has gone insane. Why take part in an insane society?

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Because I want a result where nobody gets to be sad.

[–]Earendil 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

What a pipe dream.

You want near-perfection. Good luck ever getting that with an insane bunch of societies ruling the Earth.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (102 children)

Sophisticated sites sound expensive and impossible. Counter-intelligence is simple: 100% transparency. Decentralize it for resilience and sustainability.

The Vatican is a worthy target but hardly the only one. The City of London, Washington DC, Langly, Israel, etc etc etc and every single government, bank, corporation, industry, and corporate media. They all need exposure.

Your myopic focus on Jesuits limits you greatly.

If you don't try then you fail by default. Before you try you may want to look for something similar that exists to work on and/or branch from, and/or other like-minded folks. Maybe draft up a manifesto, road map, or something to share your plan and attract crowd-sourced support.

I don't think you can resist the government through non-violence in a meaningful way

Building, sharing, and propagating alternatives to the establishment is not fruitless. Also, MANY illegal activities are non-violent and just because the label them as "legitimately illegal" doesn't make them wrong.

besides blocking a bill or something.

From within their limited system is still within THEIR control. Fuck them and their systems.

The only way I see your ideas to work is let society destroy itself and rebuild it in the wild.

Wrong. Don't just hand over the keys to society and technology to them. They're drunk with power, but that's our car that belongs to everyone. They can try to wreck some of it but we need to fight for what we want to keep just as much as what we want to exterminate. Nature is nice but fuck starting over in the wild. We can still embrace sustainable and classic elements but we can also utilize and develop new things.

Here in Windsor, among those of us who are "preparing" there are two groups: the ones who are trying to carve out a place to be free near North Bay (cold and bugs), and those of us who want to build a community in our county despite the endless bullshit bylaws. There are pros and cons to each and no correct answer.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (101 children)

My point and warning is, that the CIA are philosophically, an anti-Semitic group and as long as you guys don't realize that, they are prone to manipulate you.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (100 children)

My point and warning is, that the CIA are philosophically, an anti-Semitic group and as long as you guys don't realize that, they are prone to manipulate you.

Ridiculous.

CIA totally cooperates with Israel, Mossad, MI5, MI6, RCMP, etc etc etc.

CIA wants only two things: more power and plausible deniability. They'll do whatever it takes to get those. That's it full stop.

So let's pretend your premise is true. CIA is actually anti-Semitic, whatever you may think that completely weaponized bullshit term means.

1) Why would the CIA choose to alienate so many of the most powerful Zionist/Jewish dominated groups in the world? (Hollywood, NYC, Washington, Israel, Mossad, banksters, industrialists, corporations, NGOs of all sorts, etc.)

2) How are we being manipulated? How is this any different than Zionist/globalist/corporatocracy/technocracy manipulation?

3) To what end? Why? What's the CIA's goal? How does it benefit the CIA to be anti-Semitic?

4) What should be done about it? What should they do instead? What do we do about it?

I hope you can see how ridiculous your premise is.

With enough of a case you can argue and maybe even convince anyone of anything. But to come close to properly debunking anything requires not only deep knowledge on the topic but also deep knowledge on the counter arguments.

If a couple guys on SaidIt saying the Earth is flat or Jesuits run things I can peek in on their ideas now and then but I'm never going to go deep into those rabbit holes. I don't have the time anymore. If a bunch of folks said it then I would investigate deeper.

I will not argue nor be persuaded by details. I want the greater understanding that makes logical sense. If you can't present rational reasons for them to be as you say then it doesn't make sense and your claims hold no water.

I'll never say anything is 100% this or that, because I can never know for certain. But this is just too ridiculous.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

CIA is an arm of US INC., which contracts contractors who contract contractors who coontract contractors. Whoever is EO of US inc., determines the CIA's structure and directorship. JFK AND RFK would have made good with the CIA, but they were assassinated by the 2nd CIA, ie., Zionist Mossadniks, book Masons and unconventional warfare pundits.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (98 children)

The Rothschilds were sold out to us as the biggest Ultra-Zionist group out there, but I already showed you how they are a bunch of traitors. They even allowed the Vatican to get the lands of Israel, the Jesuits the most anti-Semitic group on earth. I don't respect the Greater Israel narratives at all they are the same old stories that they pushed in Europe.

All the Jews that you keep seeing in positions of power? Well they got thousands of Jews in power during the Bolshevik revolution and the whole movement was in great part the black pope play to frame the Jews. Why are the Jews discriminated against and researched in the CIA when some ethnic Jews have taken positions of power in the past? Because It's another shitty Hegelian Dialectic they set up.

The end goal of the CIA and the NWO is the Third Age of Joachim. Overall, the NWO is the Capitalist movement of the Jesuits ment to depopulate a large portion of the world’s population in order to bring The Third Age of Joachim they are obsessed with. I think they want to bring the Ultimate MMORPG, but the endgoal by itself isn’t really that important, the point is that they want to merge people’s minds with machines in order to get rid of our flesh somehow:

The First International Mandatory Vaccination Policy Was Created by the Vatican.

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is a Jesuit Missionary Congregation.

Bill Gates Reveals Family Goes to Catholic Church.

Bill Gates: "People act like they have a choice.You don't have a choice. Normalcy only returns when we've largely vaccinated the entire global population.”

Knights of Malta membership list including David Rockefeller, Amschel Mayer von Rothschild, Allen Dulles and more.

David Rockefeller on population control and depopulation.

The Rockefeller Foundation created the WHO & funds U.S. Public Health.

How Rockefeller wiped out natural cures to create the big pharma cartel.

John D. Rockefeller’s 1882 Organization of the Standard Oil Trust the First in the Commercial History of the World Was Modeled After the Jesuit Order from First-Hand Contact with Mexican Jesuits.

Connection Between the Rockefeller Foundation, Johns Hopkins, and Gates Foundations.

"Dr. Anthony Fauci, point man on coronavirus, is a {Jesuit}Holy Cross alum", Boston-Globe, March 17th 2020.

Kary Mullis PCR inventor talking about Anthony Fauci.

The CDC’s swine Flu Fraude of 1976.

Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea. (Reuters 2009)

Big Pharma fined around $14 Billion in 5 years.

Catholics interested on research about AI and the soul.

Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin conceived the idea of the Omega Point. The part in human evolution in which all become one with the help of science. Pierre was a social darwinist and greatly influenced the globalist movement.

The Jesuits see themselves as the bringers of The Third Age of Joachim, The Age of The Soul.

The Jesuits planned the outcome of the conspiracist movement back when their control over the intelligence groups wasn't really that great. As long as you don't accept the fact that the big figures behind the NWO are a group of anti-Semites, the CIA will continue to toy with you guys.

[–]Earendil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (96 children)

Dude, Jesuits, Zionists, they are the same. It doesn't matter if you think the Vatican is trying to grow, or if Israel is trying to grow. Obviously these are occultic fucks who don't care about religion, culture, or humans. That is all we need to know. They lie about their personal beliefs. You think these groups are anti-each other. They are not. They work hand-in-hand to manipulate those who follow them. SIMPLE.

Jews are involved, Jesuits are involved, Chinese communists are involved, American Christian Zionists are involved. Who gives a fuck if the Vatican is running the show or Israel? It's a charade, a ploy. These are their power-centers, if you got rid of one, they would pop up somewhere else.

It is a Hydra. Why waste any time delving into the dirty fangs and scales of one head? Look for the body, and then you'll understand u/JasonCarswell a bit better, I think.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

they are the same.

1,000,000% the same in all the ways that matter.

Petty tribalism and beliefs are irrelevant compared to the monstrous evil systems they orchestrate under all sorts of banners, excuses, and hypocrisies.

Even if they aren't, they are essentially the same to everyone with less than $100m, and we couldn't properly know any the important details anyway.

They cooperate/conspire together as they vie for position among themselves as the upper echelons of power do.

As far as I'm concerned, the B.I.S. is the top level - that I'm aware of.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

No, wrong, Jesuits were an arm of the Catholic church who have zero control over anything anymore. You had pious Jesuits who taught Indians trades and protected them from the racism of kings and colonizers. There were Jesuits who worked in monastaries and helped the weak, sick and poor.

Today's Jesuits are all Marrano Jews. Pope Bergoglio is a Jew and a Zionist.

Jews are involved, Jesuits are involved, Chinese communists are involved, American Christian Zionists are involved.

Zionist Jews are involved, 'Jesuits' don't exist anymore except in name only, they are all Marrano Jews; Chinese Communism was started by Jews:

https://fitzinfo.net/2021/07/19/how-jews-took-over-china-an-created-chinese-communism/

and American Christian Zionists are either Freemasonic preachers or simply ignorant because of the Scofield bible which was wirtten by a man who was being paid by Zionist Jews.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (65 children)

They aren't the same. Jesuits are a certain philosophical group with certain goals and the Jews have completely different objectives. If you don't realize this, you will be manipulated.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Don't "show" me anything. Explain it. Logically.

Because It's another shitty Hegelian Dialectic they set up.

I already assumed that and I could actually buy into that if I had more of an overall understanding. I don't need details. I need a reasonable grand plan.

The Third Age of Joachim is religious woo. I do not buy into any of that. While some elites might, I certain many don't - so they would therefore need PRACTICAL REASONS to lean into that woo.

The Jesuits planned the outcome of the conspiracist movement back when their control over the intelligence groups wasn't really that great.

To what end? I keep asking the same thing.

As long as you don't accept the fact that the big figures behind the NWO are a group of anti-Semites,

Why does this even matter?

How do you define "anti-Semitism"?

the CIA will continue to toy with you guys.

They'll do this anyway. Q-Anon, Flat Earth, etc may all be theirs.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

actually planned years ago by the Jezzies.

Proof?

Conservatives that are conspiracists tend to overly support capitalism, ignorong the NWO is mostly capitalist.

True. And liberals support socialism or worse. All nations are a balance (or unbalance) of the two. Militaries are paid by "socialist" taxes. Ultimately the problem is always authoritarianism.

Conspiracists have a tendency to support only the theories that support their ideas, regardless of historial accuracy.

The problem is that most people cannot hold more than one idea at a time, much less understand and respect other ideas whether they agree with them or not. Historical accuracy requires understanding all viewpoints, from 30,000 feet to minute detail, from before, during, and after with hindsight and reflection, and from the rich to the poor and of course left and right, and everything else.

Extreme conspiracism keeps you passive and without taking action.

I don't buy this definitive statement.

Overall, most conspiracist don't like intellectual work and end up supporting theories for the fun of it instead of finding the truth.

I don't know if it's "most conspiracists" or just "most average conspiracists".

The entire conspirational patriot movement is a disinfo tool of the government. Sure, they can't completely control it and the information that a lot of us share does affect the government and companies in a bad fashion, but as long as most of us don't embrace revolution we aren't that much of a thread.

The problem with any national or "patriot movement" is its inherent worship of authority.

Revolutions don't bother the ruling class much because they can always be subverted. Thus, they revolve and end up where they were - still loving authority and believing in "legitimacy".

H.G Wells was related to the Jesuit Teilhard, pretty much every relevant figure in the globalist movement was related to him.

Bummer, though guilt by association or relation has limits. My family is nothing like me in all the ways that matter.

I take measures to avoid this. My black pill is that we have to set up a revolution before the Jesuits complete the perfect communism. And while I do embrace the conspiracist tag, I consider myself more of a historian than a conspiracist.

Jesuits, Zionists, Illumanati, NWO, BIS, or whatever you want to call them - I agree. We need our own decentralized, flexible, resilient, sustainable, alt-systems to counter and resist tyranny. I consider myself a conspiracy analyst, truth-seeker, free-thinker, voluntaryist, cooperativist, and anti-authoritarian.

I'm known as the conspiracist who has collected over a thousand records of factual conspiracies.

When it comes to conspiracies about power and its abuses, most of the time there's at least one foot firmly planted in truth. The woo stuff is distraction.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I don't like the idea that the puzzle can't be solved. It sets up a very bad example for other people. You guys think that many of the narratives have no consequence but they aren't really neutral. Take the Rothschilds as the leading group of the NWO for example:

3 out of the 4 biggest banks in the world were controlled by apprentices of the Jesuits back in 2019.

President Macron and the current governor of the Central Bank of France are apprentices of the Jesuits.

The chairman of the Central Bank of Peru is a Jesuit apprentice.

The Central Bank of Kenya is governed by the Roman Catholic Opus Dei member Patrick Ngugi Njoroge.

The Jesuits had such control over education and were known as such a nasty group that they were feared by the richest European oligarchs:

“The Jesuits … they have the College of Nobles where almost all the eons of the Roman Nobility are educated in the principles of Jesuitism; … In the subterranean Church of the Gesu is a ‘Congregation of Nobles,’ in which are assembled all the Roman Nobility; the Jesuits are their Directors, Confessors, and Preachers, and by this means they have become masters of the Aristocracy.”

  • Luigi de Sanctis (1808–1869; Italian Ex-Catholic Priest of the Madellena at Rome.)

"Wealth of Roman Catholic Church impossible to calculate." (National Post 2013)

There's also the constant Catholic and Jesuit effort to push for anti-Semitic propaganda:

Despite the claims that Loyola himself was Jewish and or had Jewish ancestry, a lot of scholars would say that he was a Basque from an old noble family of Spain. Why would the Vatican and the Jesuits themselves lie about Loyola's ethnicity or ancestry?

It is commonly accepted that Jews weren't allowed to be part of the order during the time period in which the Jesuits were involved in many crimes and were expelled from many countries. One of these included the Jesuit Communist Empire in Latin America. How is it that the Jewish infiltrators were responsible for it, when the entire order was involved in the communist regime and according to these same people, the infiltration of the order wasn't completed until after WWII? when it comes to asking why we should trust one source over the other, it makes it look like we should simply believe that the Jesuits themselves are telling us the truth.

"Jewish" Sabbatean-Frankist movement actually controlled by the Jesuits. A lot of influential Jews are accused of being Frankists and that they infiltrated the Church and the Jesuits, but the whole movement was actually run by the Jesuits themselves and It's crypto-Catholic, an example of the Jesuits infiltrating Jewish groups and corrupting them from within.

Leo H. Lehmann mentioned that the Jesuits were behind the creation of the Protocols of the elders of Zion.

Despite the claims that the Rothschilds control the Vatican because of the loans it had with it, the Vatican actually did manage to pay of those loans.

Despite the protests of other Jewish leaders asking for the help of the Rothschilds in order to improve the conditions of the Jewish communities under the Vatican, the Rothschilds actually allowed the Vatican to use their own money to spread the anti-Semitic myths, causing the Rothschilds to be mocked by other Jewish groups as traitors.

According to the Jewish Encyclopedia of 1906, the Rothschilds are considered the guardians of the papal treasure.

The Jesuits used the Rothschilds to fund the Bolshevik revolution, so they are responsible for the millions of kills under the Communist regime.

Months before the Bolshevik coup, Sister Lúcia dos Santos claimed she had a vision of promise about the consecration of Russia, which would bring a period of peace. It is usually interpreted that this was a call for Russia to convert to Catholicism.

Despite the claims of the Bolshevik movement and communism itself being part of some kind of Ultra-Zionist conspiracy, the Bolshevik Jews were for the most part, an anti-Zionist group that attacked Zionist Jews that opposed the regime.

The black pope Ledochowski conspired to block the policies of Pope Pius XI seeking to condemn anti-Semitism in Europe. It should be noted that Ledochowski himself tried to push Pius XI into not only mentioning the Jews in his speech against the communist regime, but also to associate the Jews themselves with communism. So the Bolshevik revolution was a movement to blame the Jews for creating it. The original communist regime, like I mentioned, is actually The Jesuit Communist Empire.

La Civilita Cattolica described Fascism as the regime that corresponds more closely to the concepts of the church of Rome.

Former Catholic Priest (possible Jesuit) Bernhard Stempfle played a role in the writings of Mein Kampf. A lot of the propaganda of the German regime against the Jews was directly copied from La Civilita Cattolica. The SS was made out to be an imitation of the Jesuit order. Himmler was known as the "Black Jesuit."

Jesuit Pietro Tacchi Venturi played a vital role in Italian fascism and Mussolini's anti-Semitic policies.

The Vatican allowed many National Socialists to get away. A lot of them later helped with the creation of the CIA and were part of many of its operations.

Jews are actually discriminated against in the CIA. The CIA itself is actually a Catholic, Jesuit controlled organization.

The Jesuits were responsible for the creation of the anti-Semitic myths, which started with their demonization of the Jews and the Rothschilds in their magazine La Civilita Cattolica as part of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy.

A lot of people, even involved in the Jesuit theories make the mistake of thinking about the Jews and the Jesuits as being similar groups. They are not. The Jews are a very materialist and pro-nationalist group, the Jesuits on the other hand, are almost their complete opposites philosophically, they are radical supernaturalists that see the material world as a corruption that shouldn't exist because it is not part of the soul. So they hate the Jews for their materialism.

Credit to both me and /u/Veritas__Aequitas.

So despite the fact that the Roths always get sold out as the main villains of the NWO, they are actually one of the worst traitors towards their own people. Just think about how influential they were towards the whole movement towards Israel thing, but in the end they are fine with the Jesuits, downright the most anti-Semitic and anti-nationalist group in the world to actually own the lands of Israel. You guys think that the Jesuits could never pull such a sophisticated psyop on you guys, but there's a reason why they were feared even by the richest European oligarchs. Nobody mentions how Catholic groups (the actual CIA) were involved in 9/11, all people see are the Jewish groups, but that's actually the same old world domination psyop that they were running with since La Civilita Cattolica. Like 95% probably more of the Ultra-Zionist world domination theories aren't even politically neutral, they are literally Jesuit and by extension CIA propaganda.

That's the irony behind the conspiracy movement. Despite the claim that they make about being anti-CIA and anti-evil-intelligence groups, most conspiracists spend a good chunk of time spreading CIA propaganda everywhere. The Jesuits thought about and fabricated the movement even before they had that much control over the intelligence groups. There's a reason why the CIA goons admire them as the best spy group of the world dude.

[–]Popper 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

i think zionists used kind of a boiled frog strategy to get jews to move to israel. Many probably didn't really want to live in a desert surrpounded by muslims, not when they were doing well financially and were comfortable in europe. So increasing the antisemiticism helped encourage them to move to israel. This is why they had the transfer agreement with nazi germany. Hitler and Himmler were obviously jewish too. Why would they want most jews living in a centralized place, israel? It could be that the rothschilds didn't want to have to compete with other jewish bankers for supremeacy, and wanted them to be easier controlled. Besides Israel many moved to USA as well.

[–]Earendil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It may be possible Hitler was a renegade they used, promised him peace and power at different points, forcing him into worse and worse positions he personally wasn't equipped to handle.

I do think it's weird that prior to WW2, no Israel, post WW2, Israel.

[–]Popper 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it started with the balfour declartion, that was in 1917 but jews were slow in moving there, I think they wanted to speed that up so yeah the boiled frogs. Seems weird to say rothschilds would want to make things hard on jews but yeah they have no loyalty.

I think Hitler mioght have known invading russia was a bad idea, he had known about history or why name it operation barbarossa? Barbarossa was the holy roman emperor and he led the third crusade and it failed and he died. Barbarossa was pro jew and he was trying to free the holy land so the jews could have it back as Israel. That naming might have been Hitler showing he didn't really want to do it. But he wasn't fully in power and the zionists wanted to make Russia inhospitable to jews so they would move to Israel. That failed but years later they had Stalin make antisemitic policies so the jews of russia would move.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Seems weird to say rothschilds would want to make things hard on jews

Not all Jews are rich and/or Zionists. Jews are just another breed of sheeple to be manipulated and exploited, and the Us vs Them situation can be exploited endlessly for this special group of tribal pawns.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

boiled frog strategy

Not an appropriate use of that term.

There was nothing slow or subtle about it.

The ruling class / Zionists intentionally created a hostile environment in Europe and Russia 100 years ago so they could utilize the prophecy excuse for the "chosen people" tribes to "return" to their "promised" land that they once co-inhabited for a blip in history, while other Semitics never left.

It could be that the rothschilds didn't want to have to compete with other jewish bankers for supremeacy, and wanted them to be easier controlled.

An interesting theory that sounds like pure speculation without evidence.

Everyone already knows and understands the hierarchy of things, especially those higher up in the global mafias. Getting rid of smaller Jewish banksters who already serve you doesn't make sense.

[–]Popper 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

bad take

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

How so?

[–]Popper 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

it's an appropriate use of the term for obvious reasons

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I explained why it wasn't appropriate, and it's not obvious as I obviously asked for elaboration.

[–]TheAmeliaMay 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Most crazy conspiracy theories (like flat earth crap) are psyops to make real conspiracy theories (like NSA spying) look bad. Some conspiracy theories are a mix, so they can use the crazy parts to discredit the true parts.

The basis of conspiracy theory thought is thinking rationally, regardless of what the elite tell you — but many conspiracy theories nowadays are the opposite: people disregard facts and logic if it hurts their feelings.

[–]Popper 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

sounds like saying don't question things

conspiracies are real and common

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The idea that the mystery can never be solved makes you lazy towards figuring things out and hostile towards the people that do want to know the truth.

The fundamental truth is that the ruling class "authorities" (mafia government bankster media military industrial academic corporatocracy) will do anything (lie, cheat, steal, starve, kill, mass murder) accumulating power and control to maintain a full spectrum dominance with their matrix of rigged systems that serve them.

Always starting with skepticism from this greater contextual understanding will help everyone to see through their bullshit scams faster.

Everything else is just the details from different angles.

 

Similarly, I've had this up on InfoGalactic for years:

The ultimate truth:
All governments are inherently evil, corrupted, secretive, manipulative, divisive, exploitative, abusive, violent, and excessively murderous, with (s)elected puppet "leaders" rigging all entwined systems to serve psychotic Machiavellian elites for full spectrum dominance waged upon their own citizens with their bankster-media-military-industrial-academic-corporatocracy.

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True duck spoke here. See it? Genpop? See it?

[–]socks 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of people fall on the idea that radical conspiracism is a good way not to be fooled by any bias, but It's actually a tool of the people in power to keep us passive.

It's not going to be easy, but we have to fight to gain credibility when it comes to exposing the corruption in the government.

I've just seen this, and for what it's worth u/HibikiBlack, I agree wholeheartedly with these comments. One of my concerns has been that there has been a significant rise in 5 years of very well-funded influencer websites, social media, and video bloggers (&c) that peddle all kinds of misinformation and disinformation, meant not only to influence public opinion, but also get people to argue over facts, science, masks, &c. In 10 years World billionaires have doubled their ranks and almost trippled their net worth. COVID also helped billionaires, and increased income inequality. Misinformation websites support these billionaires, many of whom help pay for them. Many at Saidit - perhaps unintentionally - help these billionaires by sharing this misinformation and arging over it, whereas the #1 problem in the US that Saidit can potentially help deal with is government and corporate abuse and corruption. But I rarely see a post or comment on Saidit where the user understands this, and is thus interested in reliable democratic solutions. It would be especially helpful to those of us who want to make a difference, reduce income inequality, reduce climate change, support the 99%, &c, to focus more on politicians and political action that will support these causes, rather than fall for the distractions in the propaganda websites. This is why I appreciate your post.

Not that I want to discuss a 10-day old post. It's just my 2 cents.