It's a Fake Pandemic, With A Fake Vaccine Designed To Infect And Harm You, And Ultimately Kill You.

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Thank you - though this is a common response especially in the US - where a person notes their personal experiences and personal research is sufficient evidence that disproves 1000s of scientists and doctors worldwide (eg 99.99% of the scientific research and trials). How is this kind of argument abount one's personal approach even plausible? It's as if the GOP gave a voice to these people who feel they can say and do whatever they want, regardless of pest practice, science, facts &c.

What if someone told you that alcoholism is a hoax? There is a long history of people saying this. Moreover, alcoholism doesn't end with the last drink, as we know. We're both recovering.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

If someone told me alcoholism was a hoax, I'd laugh in their face because I trust my own eyes... I have seen an alcoholic, many of them in fact. If someone tells me the pandemic is real, well, I'd laugh in their face for the same reason. I trust my own eyes... where are the dead homeless? Where are the McDonalds super-spreaders? Why haven't I lost both grandparents who were sick with this? You'll give me a bunch of dumb answers, but generally you don't answer. Yeah, I'll trust my own experience because I can validate it or prove it wrong very easily. I just have to step outside into my city and look around, talk to people, and gather different experiences and opinions. I've been doing this since the beginning. Why haven't I gotten sick? Oh, its my dumb luck, right, better trust the media and the "99.99%" of scientific "research"

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

This is the problem. The information, statistics, Google, valid resources, hospital data, reliable news, all of that is at your fingertips, but if you refuse to look at it, because what's in front you is more informative, then you also negate the benefits of the local police, medical doctors, trained pilots, scientific research, and many other benefits to your life that are thanks to sociaty and society, because you might not be able to see those people. It is not an appropriate argument that: because you don't know it, it's not true. There is no world in which that works as an argument.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

I look at all that other stuff too, then I compare it to my experience. There is no world where that isn't a good method of understanding different positions and reality. Use ALL of your resources. Honestly, your arguement doesn't even make sense. You act as though I ignore all other possible information, when I only ignore it after it has been made clear to me the established sources who spread said information are only right about the information in their make-believe secondary world. I know all about secondary-worlds. You are living in one, and so is OP.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What you said earlier about personal experience reflects similar views among anti-science conspiracy theorists.

And there's only one world.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

No, there is the Objective World, and there are so many personal subjective worlds, it's not even funny. Plus, "secondary world" is in reference to the created worlds of fiction writers. You have basically surrounded yourself in a fiction. Don't take that as an insult, most humans surround themselves in fiction for personal comfort. Like your "anti-science conspiracy theorists" I must assume you mean folks like christianmusicreleases, major Trumpists, flat-earthers, and the like. It's super disingenuous to group me in with anti-science folks. Your only basis for this would be my views on the pandemic, and the foundations of your arguments are predicated upon false data, fucked establishment academics, and the media.

OH MY, do you not take into account your personal experience? Or, is it so limited that you've just taken to listening to the establishment? If it is yes, then you are being hypocritical. If it is no, then what the hell are you doing in life? You HAVE to take into account your personal experience, or else you will be played by the weaker aspects of your personality. You HAVE to take into account your personal experience, or else you may end up in the same boat as christianmusicreleases. It seems like you already have, but you chose the blue side of the boat.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

One of the problems in our discussion is what appears to be a polarization of one approach against another. For example, I think it's not possible for me or others not to consider our own experiences first. We remember things for two reasons:

1) how we feel about them at the time

2) how important they are to us at that moment

Our experiences are of course exchanges between our own constructions of experiences and the experiences constructed by others, and the exchanges themselves require a constant, such as the objective world, in which there are facts. The way this works was perhaps best explained by Ludwig Wittgenstein, but that's not a necessary consideration here. Essentially, my concern is that we deal with facts.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is my concern as well, that's why if the media tells me there is a pandemic going on, and I don't see any evidence of it other than the media and its "scientists", then I trust the facts that I can see in my daily life. You just get your facts from outside sources... rather than from yourself. Cheers. One of the problems in our discussion is that you think I'm advocating for something ... "one approach over another" ... when I'm just telling you to use your eyes and walk around out in the world. You won't see a pandemic going on, you'll see a scam going on. Please, leave your house and gather more facts.