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[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The cloth does not block the virus, not just from mishandling. Figure this riddle: If 20+ years of compiled research overwhelmingly support that masks are ineffective. Why when the flu hysteria machine was escalating, all of a sudden establishment outlets went into over drive flagrantly contradicting already accepted research data? Does that at all seem suspicious to you?

Most people getting Covid were wearing masks. Why do infection rates continue to climb even with widespread mask use? Since you're a "medical professional", here's what your peers have found out about their lack of effectiveness via decades of data. Should be an easy read for you.

AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

curated by Marilyn M. Singleton, M.D., J.D.

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

Note: A COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) particle is 0.125 micrometers (μm); influenza virus size is 0.08 – 0.12 μm; a human hair is about 150 μm.

*1 nm = 0.001 micron; 1000 nm = 1 micron; Micrometer (μm) is the preferred name for micron (an older term)

1 meter is = 1,000,000,000 nm or 1,000,000 microns

Droplets

Virus is transmitted through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes or talks. Larger respiratory droplets (>5 μm) remain in the air for only a short time and travel only short distances, generally <1 meter. They fall to the ground quickly. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30245-9/fulltext This idea guides the CDC’s advice to maintain at least a 6-foot distance. Virus-laden small (<5 μm) aerosolized droplets can remain in the air for at least 3 hours and travel long distances. https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?articleTools=true Air currents

In air conditioned environment these large droplets may travel farther. However, ventilation — even the opening of an entrance door and a small window can dilute the number of small droplets to one half after 30 seconds. (This study looked at droplets from uninfected persons). This is clinically relevant because poorly ventilated and populated spaces, like public transport and nursing homes, have high SARS-CoV-2 disease transmission despite physical distancing. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30245-9/fulltext Objects and surfaces

Person to person touching The CDC’s most recent statement regarding contracting COVID-19 from touching surfaces: “Based on data from lab studies on Covid-19 and what we know about similar respiratory diseases, it may be possible that a person can get Covid-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose or possibly their eyes,” the agency wrote. “But this isn’t thought to be the main way the virus spreads. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/s0522-cdc-updates-covid-transmission.html. Chinese study with data taken from swabs on surfaces around the hospital https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0885_article?deliveryName=USCDC_333-DM25707 The surfaces where tested with the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test, which greatly amplifies the viral genetic material if it is present. That material is detectable when a person is actively infected. This is thought to be the most reliable test. Computer mouse (ICU 6/8, 75%; General ward (GW) 1/5, 20%) Trash cans (ICU 3/5, 60%; GW 0/8) Sickbed handrails (ICU 6/14, 42.9%; GW 0/12) Doorknobs (GW 1/12, 8.3%) 81.3% of the miscellaneous personal items were positive: Exercise equipment Medical equipment (spirometer, pulse oximeter, nasal cannula) PC and iPads Reading glasses Cellular phones (83.3% positive for viral RNA) Remote controls for in-room TVs (64.7% percent positive) Toilets (81.0% positive) Room surfaces (80.4% of all sampled) Bedside tables and bed rails (75.0%) Window ledges (81.8%) Plastic: up to 2-3 days Stainless Steel: up to 2-3 days Cardboard: up to 1 day Copper: up to 4 hours Floor – gravity causes droplets to fall to the floor. Half of ICU workers all had virus on the bottoms of their shoes Filter Efficiency and Fit

*Data from a University of Illinois at Chicago review

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

HEPA (high efficiency particulate air) filters – 99.97 – 100% efficient. HEPA filters are tested with particles that are 0.125 μm. Masks and respirators work by collecting particles through several physical mechanisms, including diffusion (small particles) and interception and impaction (large particles) N95 filtering facepiece respirators (FFRs) are constructed from electret (a dielectric material that has a quasi-permanent electric charge. An electret generates internal and external electric fields so the filter material has electrostatic attraction for additional collection of all particle sizes. As flow increases, particles will be collected less efficiently. N95 – A properly fitted N95 will block 95% of tiny air particles down to 0.3 μm from reaching the wearer’s face. https://www.honeywell.com/en-us/newsroom/news/2020/03/n95-masks-explained. But even these have problems: many have exhalation valve for easier breathing and less moisture inside the mask. Surgical masks are designed to protect patients from a surgeon’s respiratory droplets, aren’t effective at blocking particles smaller than 100 μm. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VLXWeZBll7YJ:https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/957730O/respirators-and-surgical-masks-contrast-technical-bulletin.pdf+&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Filter efficiency was measured across a wide range of small particle sizes (0.02 to 1 µm) at 33 and 99 L/min. N95 respirators had efficiencies greater than 95% (as expected). T-shirts had 10% efficiency, Scarves 10% to 20%, Cloth masks 10% to 30%, Sweatshirts 20% to 40%, and Towels 40%. All of the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lungs. Another study evaluated 44 masks, respirators, and other materials with similar methods and small aerosols (0.08 and 0.22 µm). N95 FFR filter efficiency was greater than 95%. Medical masks – 55% efficiency General masks – 38% and Handkerchiefs – 2% (one layer) to 13% (four layers) efficiency. Conclusion: Wearing masks will not reduce SARS-CoV-2. N95 masks protect health care workers, but are not recommended for source control transmission. Surgical masks are better than cloth but not very efficient at preventing emissions from infected patients. Cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as personal protective equipment (PPE).

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Your first sentence is wrong. Infact your whole reasoning is wrong. The virus is transmitted on respiratory droplets which are >5microns travelling up to 1 meter. People erroneously think the virus is .12microns therefore facial coverings dont work. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Freflectionsipc.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F12%2Fdroplet-airborne-direct-and-indirect-contact-figure_final.jpg%3Fw%3D700%26h%3D525&f=1&nofb=1

You say most people that were wearing masks were getting covid. Prove it, because I can play that game too. Most people that weren't wearing masks got covid, but more importantly it was the people who didn't wear masks that help spread it. Here's proof: Georgia camp with COVID-19 outbreak didn’t require masks https://apnews.com/6bde87b6c7d3276208c439901af71650 Four of largest ongoing COVID-19 outbreaks in Colorado are in prisons, jails https://www.denverpost.com/2020/07/29/colorado-covid-outbreaks-prisons-jails/ Public Health Responses to COVID-19 Outbreaks on Cruise Ships https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e3.htm etc, etc...

As for the rest of your post, I've already addressed how the virus is spread and the efficacy of masks before. Keep convincing yourself protection is harmful, it does nothing to improve the situation and maybe one reason we will have a forced vaccine.

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[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You are assuming that covid is primarily spread through respiratory vapor. Studies show that symptomatic and asymptomatic people spread infection primarily via "BioAerosols" without any respiratory vapor ,which is so small that no cloth mask can stop.

(Pdf. warning) https://www.nap.edu/login.php?record_id=25776

COVID-19 can spread via invisible droplets as small as 5 microns and by tiny bioaerosol particles as well as via visible respiratory droplets just by breathing.

What you need to know: Non-95 masks only work in your mind, and provide no protection from covid infection.

Georgia camp with COVID-19 outbreak didn’t require masks

Large gatherings would have spread infection whether they wore masks or not.

Four of largest ongoing COVID-19 outbreaks in Colorado are in prisons

By your logic, why didn't they just make them wear masks since they work so well? Once again like with large gatherings, they would have gotten infected either way.

Keep convincing yourself protection is harmful, it does nothing to improve the situation and maybe one reason we will have a forced vaccine.

Are you really this frightened of the covid?

See Sweden.

See Denmark.

See Finland.

See Norway.

Quarantine the vulnerable, let everyone else get the scary covid and be done with all this spirit crushing hysteria and panic.

Tell me why before Covid, it had been well established that cloth masks were ineffective against SARS and Corona infections, now every mainstream outlet contradicts science to the point of doing mental gymnastics like the respiratory droplet rebuttal you had. They know symptomatic and asymptomatic spread via bio-aerosols ,why do they choose to not mention this?

Fauci on masks: 'It's not about the science, it's just a symbol of what you should be doing.'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/27/coronavirus-fauci-says-he-wears-mask-symbol-what-do/5266189002/

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Do you even read the articles you keep posting? They say there is a possibility for it being airborne. Based on RNA collected in hospital floors, these incidences show traces of virus so low its doubtful they have the out shield and/or spike proteins to infect a host. That article goes on to say masks are useful in limiting the spread of virus.

By the time people are showing symptoms or have a positive test they should be isolated anyway. There are studies showing viral shedding to be highest just before symptoms appear. And the mutated spike G614 variant being more infectious is a cause for concern.

You ask if I'm frightened of Covid. I'm worried a bunch of lazy idiots are going to force the government require everyone a vaccine and bio passport.

Simply practicing good hygiene, PPE, and social distancing is the least we can do.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It is certainly spread through bio-aerosols that are much smaller than water vapor, and render cloth masks useless.

in addition to being spread by respiratory droplets that one can see and feel, SARS-CoV-2 can also be spread by invisible droplets, as small as 5 microns (or micrometers), and by even smaller bioaerosol particles.2 Such tiny bioaerosol particles may be found in an infected person’s normal exhalation.3 The relative contribution of each particle size in disease transmission is unknown.

Asymptomatic but infected individuals are of special concern, and the particles they would emit from breathing are predominantly bioaerosols. To complicate matters further, different individuals vary in the extent to which they emit bioaerosols while breathing. Because of the concern with spread from asymptomatic individuals, who, unlike symptomatic persons, may be out and about, this rapid expert consultation includes the effects of fabric masks on bioaerosol transmission.

The evidence from these laboratory filtration studies suggests that such fabric masks may reduce the transmission of larger respiratory droplets. There is little evidence regarding the transmission of small aerosolized particulates of the size potentially exhaled by asymptomatic or presymptomatic individuals with COVID-19.

(2020) evaluated the effectiveness of surgical and cotton masks in filtering SARSCoV- 2.10 They found that neither kind of mask reduced the dissemination of SARS-CoV-2 from the coughs of four symptomatic patients with COVID-19 to the environment and external mask surface.

I'm worried a bunch of lazy idiots

You should be more worried about a bunch of obedient idiots who don't ask questions. With or without masks, it's going to spread exponentially until it's done it's rounds, and the gov knows this. They're going to try and do what they want to do either way, masks are a psychological game being played with the population. Really Ned, it is just a bad flu, stop feeding them your fears.

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

EDITED: You've been arguing its being spread by vapor. If thats the case its infection rate would be exponential higher. Then you go on to say it's just a flu = transmitted by droplets.

It's inconclusive about aerosols. If we go down the rabbit hole of Prof. Boyle's hypothesis, that the virus is a bioweapon. Meant to be spread using nano technology, it is plausible. He makes an interesting argument that Covid19 is a combination of MERS/SARS/HIV.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It being spread via biovapor puts the infection rate about where it needs to be, particularly considering that some range between 40%-80% are considered asymptomatic. Saying "its just a flu" implies that in the vast majority of people the symptoms are no worse than a flu. Not that it is literally a flu. This is why the CDC won't say cloth masks work, only that they "may" work...(or may not). Believe me Ned, if this was some ebola type threat, I'd be wearing a gas mask in a cabin in the forest by myself for at least a year. By around April, it became apparent that this whole thing was too incongruent to believe the official narrative. Most everything about this should be rejected, and common sense promoted instead.

[–]Ned[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The arbitrary vapor size argument again. You realize the CDC recommends covering your face for both Flu and Covid 19. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/actions-prevent-flu.htm 3. Cover your mouth and nose with a tissue when coughing or sneezing. It may prevent those around you from getting sick. Flu and other serious respiratory illnesses, like respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), whooping cough, and COVID-19, are spread by cough, sneezing, or unclean hands. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html

"40-80%" Asymptomatic and presymptomatic carriers are able to transmit the virus. Infact, presymptomatic carriers have higher viral shedding. Which is the reason people should be taking precautions, because how would you know who has it, right?

To "imply" it's just a flu is being willfully ignorant. They are genetically different and attack the body differently. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220300528 They may exhibit similar symptoms since they are respiratory illnesses. But covid patients have shown to have lasting damage to not just the lungs but other organs in the body. There is still much to learn about the virus and it's long term affects. https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/26/from-nose-to-toe-covid19-virus-attacks-like-no-other-respiratory-infection/

We didn't have as clear of a picture in April as we do now. To dismiss everything about it is reckless. At least we can agree to promote common sense.

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, and again I said it's not the flu, you are misrepresenting my statement or lack reading comprehension. It may have long term damage in a fraction of the vulnerable people that get it. All I hear from you is fear, panic, hysteria, repeat...ad nauseum. Are you scripted or just gullible?