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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"Catholic clergy is fine because the Bible speaks of doing good."

I have no problem with Catholicism either. The Bible speaks of doing good and they're Christian. I'm only being slightly facetious here ;)

Seriously though, abuse of power happens in every institution that gains power, that isn't unique to Catholicism.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You speak of "conflating" the religion itself with its practitioners. That's my point: you seem to conflate the practitioners with the religion. We use opposite associative directions. But it was said: "you will know them by their fruit"... So these MUSLIM SAVAGES might not be MUSLIM SAVAGES BECAUSE of their religion directly. Maybe it's the Muslim clergy abusing its power and radicalizing these "poor victims of brainwashing" or however else you want to slice it.

The end result is the same: We still have hordes of muslim savages descending on the civilized world and destroying it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You speak of "conflating" the religion itself with its practitioners. That's my point: you seem to conflate the practitioners with the religion

Nah man, you have a very narrow minded approach to this. No one group or individual represents Islam, every group and individual claiming to be Muslim collectively does. It is difficult to parse through but minority opinions count! There is a lot of internal diversity within the religion, you have to look at the nuances and differences among the various groups identifying as Muslims. If you get two Muslims together, they won't even agree on the method of prayer, religion is open ended and there aren't clear answers. The only thing Muslims ever agree on is the importance of the Quran. Here you are on the outside with pretty much no knowledge of the culture, the Quran or the problems and you think you understand it well. That is fine but you make the most malicious assumption about what others hold sacred. That is also your right but I'd urge you to just check the ego a bit and at least try to understand where I'm coming from.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, yes of course individuality is important. But it is also the case that most cultures have very little individuality, outside the white european ones.