Parents slam 'disgusting' After School Satan Club for children as young as five

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[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

The shame is poor for development and leads to the sexual abuse associated with the church. The externalization of blame allows evil people to act with less consequence on their position in society and alleviates guilt. The judgement of everything as either right or wrong leads modern witch trials against people who are different from them.

Christianity makes it worse. In some cases it causes them. Think of the satanic panic in 1980s, where good people had their lives destroyed. That would never have happened without Christianity.

They're plausibly building for a new one in the 2020s, if some of what I read on this site has depth of belief in the american bible belt.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It wouldn't have happened without Christianity? You clearly aren't aware of just how horrific ancient pre-Christian societies really were. Even the Romans' most favorite form of entertainment was watching people be tortured, and they took children to see that. And before that they were doing child sacrifice and all kinds of the most barbaric things you can imagine. The Old Testament as bad as it is was far ahead of its time.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

It wouldn't have happened without Christianity?

Obviously. People who don't have the delusion of the existence of Satan can't get satanic panic.

You clearly aren't aware of just how horrific ancient pre-Christian societies really were.

To state the obvious, I'm not suggesting the alternative is to revert to an ancient society.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

They would just have a different panic. You clearly have an agenda against Christianity by scapegoating it for what are most obviously age-old problems of human nature.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

They would just have a different panic.

Okay. I find that very difficult to believe. How would you go about arguing for the plausibility of that?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Look at any other religion. The pagans tortured anyone they suspected was an enemy of the state and the "god" emperor. Socialists think everyone is a Nazi. Nazis think everyone is a Jew. Radical Muslims think everyone is a degenerate. Humans are a laughably blind herd species, the tribalism is at such insane heights that they will accuse anyone who isn't absolutely blindly loyal to their cult and authority an evil enemy, and use that to justify doing terrible things to them. If that includes some awful distortion of Christianity then so be it, but it's the same dynamic as always. You're either with us or against us, they say.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Look at any other religion.

We have atheism now. And evidence-based ethics.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Evidence-based ethics align spot-on with the ones Jesus taught. That's what really convinced me.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Christians seem to be focused on virtues of no value like faith and subservience.

Whereas atheists seem to be more focused on things that matter like the environment or human health and education.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a point that I took particular notice of from Hitchens. The ten commandments themselves have little to no value, or are some vague or obvious that it need not even be a commandment.

Atheists often seem to be regarded as being immoral, and you are right that it does often seem that atheists have actual interests that matter rather than those of a personal endeavour to please the almighty.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The actual truth is none of those things matter. This whole world is an illusion and all of those things are distractions to keep you too busy to notice things or inevitably come to the conclusion that it all just doesn't add up. What has been removed from Christianity is the fact that demons are the ones bringing charges against you, and that they do this so they can keep you imprisoned in their world and torment you based on your past misdeeds. That's why there's a ransom to be paid. It was replaced with an utterly nonsensical doctrine of God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself and pay himself the ransom for everyone. Along with the traditional concept of heaven and hell that was specifically warned against in Luke 17:20-21. People who go through the white light tunnel and encounter dead people and whichever deity they believe in are being tricked by demons who impersonate others. They will ultimately trick you back to earth in one way or another, and maybe even force you if you don't have your charges cleared. Sometimes this veil doesn't work, and instead people literally see the massive machine powering this reality. If the thought of being in a wheel or gear bigger than the world with every possible timeline between each of its paddles and containing everything within itself feels unsettlingly familiar to you, that's how it's described. I can't remember seeing it but as soon as I heard that description I could feel a memory of it buried somewhere deep down. That's how things really are. All this objective reality stuff is an evil scheme.