Asking Utopians How: An Alternative Strategy for Defending Freedom of Speech - Areo. The people who attempt to cancel others in the name of some utopian project have usually never asked themselves how they would build their utopia. Because, if they did, the case for censorship would crumble.

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I hate that. Lets do something about that! ;-P

Yes, people with <100 IQ don’t have a great chance of grasping alot of this. They shouldnt vote. Or serve on juries. No votes for shit-on-the-floor people.

Eh, if only it were the smooth-brains doing it though. Standards for educational institutions have tanked, but there are still extremely intelligent people that start or continue buying into these fucking John Lennon "Imagine" style ways of life (along with a ton of other absolutely retarded ideas) and fail to understand that human nature is just grey at best. Sidenote derail: why do people glorify that fucking song? Why would anyone consider life utopia when you're effectively just a husk touting mantras about brotherhood with an even less meaningful life than in this world? Just hock all your shit, eat berries and fuck in the chigger-laiden grass until you rot-- sounds like a hellscape.

I'm relatively skeptical about psychology myself, as it's never cure-driven. I don't know enough about the neural processes involved in how we think, it's something I would have to see in person during a few different experiments before settling down on any solid opinions. I do think that there's a level of shutting out negative thought processes that would be beneficial, especially when the sympathetic nervous system comes into play-- like with anxiety or panic disorders. If someone has the ability to see the brighter side of things despite everything being terrible, I shall sit my pessimistic ass out and let them run with it. It does carry that odor of Wishythinking though, and seems like it makes one more effective at lying to themself than anything else.

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"Imagine"

I used to really like that song as a kid. It is very appealing to believe that we can all live like this. If you build a society of totally altruistic “peace love and harmony” people, or “tolerance” people, it is paradise for a liar. He can lie and cheat and steal and masquerade as an altruist and no one will catch on. A liar can be enormously successful in such an environment. This is always a risk in a high trust “honest” society.

Everything about that song is in direct conflict with what we know human beings to be according to evolution

eat berries and fuck in the chigger-laiden grass until you rot-- sounds like a hellscape.

Lol

Sheltered people, people in their teens and twenties, are more likely to buy this pretty package of an egalitarian one-world utopia. But different nations and races really do play by different rules, and they are largely gene based. You have to have the same set of rules upon which to operate an ordered society.

A group of machiavellian liars largely run our society. They don’t loot our country like a pack of gypsies. They just changed the laws to allow them to to loot us legally. They just brainwash every college kid that its good and virtuous to allow looting and exploitation to occur. They brainwash kids that countries are mean, and moral standards are mean and people that don’t behave like whores and drug addicts are lame. Indoctrinating people with this “Imagine” dogma makes it easy for them to loot and exploit. Attacking people with standards as Nazis and racists helps them to root out the people who are genetically predisposed to see what is going on. It is a way to cull the herd. It is a way to breed more compliant livestock.

I do think that there's a level of shutting out negative thought processes that would be beneficial, especially when the sympathetic nervous system comes into play-- like with anxiety or panic disorders. If someone has the ability to see the brighter side of things despite everything being terrible, I shall sit my pessimistic ass out and let them run with it. I

I think what you are describing is religion. Perhaps modern psychology is using our modern increased understanding of brain function to accomplish its ideological aims. Which seem to be fairly consistently progressive aims. But they always fall short of delivering their promises of becoming really effective and self actualized in life. They make a lot of money and fail to deliver. I feel like, as a society, we have uncritically accepted therapists as the new priests. We have given them legal recognition as experts in human nature over all other religions. And they are a pack of woke assholes. I think they are at the root of all this social justice crap. They have sanctified dysfunction and victimhood. Blessed are the neurotic. I would even argue that they are turning on negative thought processes. They are engaging the victimhood circuitry.