NZ Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said following the NZ incident that "the country’s gun laws will have to change."

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[–]useless_aether 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

too predictable

[–]fred_red_beans 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

yea, big surprise...

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Not for the majority.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You might be surprised. But I think the predictability is overwhelmed by the social fear of speaking out against it. They use that temporary fear to pass otherwise unpopular legislation. Just like the PATRIOT Act after 9/11. If you didn't support it, you weren't a patriot! And right after 9/11 if you weren't a patriot, that meant you hated America!

Fear-based coercion

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree 100%. And that means a lot of people know what is going on but self-censor themselves out of fear or cognitive dissonance.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup. I think it so many people that it is in fact a silent majority.

Which is why one person speaking out can have such an effect. One person taking a stance on the thing everyone else is thinking but too afraid to say. That's how revolutions and religions get started.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

If I'm not for the Patriot Act, but I'm a Canadian citizen, does that make me unCanadian?

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No it just means "you hate America" lol

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Everything I say is hate speech.

[–]JasonCarswell 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Cut back the weapons of the police and then talk to me about taking citizen's weapons.

[–]Judge_Joint 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Let's just give them butter knives. That way they can still "protect themselves and the public."

I think the only way to get people to see how ridiculous confiscating a law abiding citizen's firearms is to make a situation that is so outrageous and laughable, that people finally see how brain dead they have become.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not to mention the guns he had were already illegal under NZ law.

He had banana clips of 30+ bullets. The max allowed in NZ is 7 bullets per magazine.

He was already breaking the law and obtaining an illegal gun object, so how will more of the same laws prevent that in the future? It probably won't.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Make morer laws betterer.

[–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She added that nationalities affected by the attack include Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and Malaysia.

[–]FormosaOolong 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Yes, between this and the weird Pakistan fakebook post, one of the results of all this is likely going to be even worse travel scrutiny, surveillance, "smart" IDs, etc.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I agree.

the weird Pakistan fakebook post

what's that about?

[–]FormosaOolong 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/b1kai4/the_christchurch_shooter_visited_pakistan_in/

Who knows if this is part of the psyop or some random opportunistic attention-seeking troll doing a copypasta of the shooter.

Then the NZ PM says he's not a long-rem visitor, he "travels the world a lot" so here comes the iron boot on anyone who enjoys leaving their hometown.

[–]Judge_Joint 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's exactly how this'll all start. Anyone that isn't constantly locked down in their house or hometown will be heavily monitored. Who knows, might even escalate further, like having to scan ID to leave the fucking house or town you live in.

This guy gave us a nice shitstorm to deal with...

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's been the goal of internationalists for a long time. Accurate, omnipotent surveillance of all people and things 24/7. Then you have agenda 2030 and 21 with the no-go zones in the US, it seems obvious that when the US economy collapses which it will, they will be ready. We are, because of ndaa in a war zone. The US is and can be bombed, legally. And with all the other presidential policy directives and secret executive orders signed by Obama and resigned by Trump such as government takeover of all transportation, food supply, etc,. It seems rather obvious they know, eventually something is going to go down.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They always tighten the laws until the people un-tighten them. That back and forth is as old as history itself. People can only take so much.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

4chan is a honeypot and creates disinfo all the time that then gets picked up and used by the adl. They muddy the waters with so much photoshopped crap it's hard to figure out what is true or not.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

lol I bet the adl posts awful things on 4chan just so they have something to complain about to the media

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, Mossad and Israeli intelligence are known by other intelligence agencies to be the very best at false flags, either small or big. In that they can play the parts of their opposition, such as the palestinians to engender their desired goal. On the internet they probably play as the opposition all the time. I've always known that the truth community is 90% shills and cointelpro,10% or less truth.

Pro-zionist students were caught painting Swatstikas on their dorm rooms and then blaming it on their opposition. If you don't call out their crimes, they'll blame them on you.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree completely with everything you said. The amount of playing victim to gain control is out of hand in modern world culture.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just read via AP news that on July 2018, Christian was among the 28 students and four chaperones who traveled from Parkland, Florida, to the University of Canterbury in Christchurch...” And we know Parkland was a PSYOP. So, they had a field trip to christchurch and the person profiled is Christian. Either the news is fucking with us or someone is lying.

And the profiled student’s last name is even Christian. LOL, hmm

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, with airplanes crashing too. Be scared, very scared.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

NZ banned that crashing model of plane from their country 3-4 days ago, I read

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seems like that story too had an ulterior agenda. The military and other entities will destroy things all the time to obtain subsidies and money for new and 'better' things. Looking at the crash, there's a lot of weird things. For instance, the plane buried itself like on 9/11. And it's Flight 302. I'm not that into numerology, and this isn't evidence of anything but they encode 23, 32, 33, 22, 19, 66, 88 in the media all the damn time. They all have their specific mystery school meanings.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He hated immigrants, but not those who lived in their homelands. Even visited Pakistan and claimed they are great people. Said he made money off crypto, hmmm. Way to cover your money trail. This is pretty clear in his manifesto that he doesn't mind muslims in the middle eastern countries like Pakistan, he illustrates this plainly in the Facebook post a few months before the shooting.

It is strange to me someone would get this worked up about such a distinction between immigrants where he lives and where they came from.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think he just wants everyone to stay in their lanes, basically. That was kind of my read. You leave me alone, I'll leave you alone. But then kills 49 people. The guy is a walking contradiction

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A contradiction that fires up all different kinds of identity politics and ideaologies. Perfect for the well placed scum in power.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What fb post??

[–]solder0 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course, how did I not see this coming?

[–]Mnemonic 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

I'm Dutch and I like it when (semi)-automatic weapons are confiscated by the police.

But yeah I have my whole belief system with me, and yes I know with my chemist textbook I can do probably more, and yes the government isn't everything....

I know my fellow neighbours and have witnessed (and intervened too) in enough 'roughy' fights and one where one dickshithead had a gun, luckily he was too coked out and drunk out to remember the (i guess?) safety.

I agree that the government (of whichever country) can be too brutal/easily handle lethal assault, but (and just a little but, but can be big in the wrong circumstances) a drunk and a gun (and the NZ was psychotic mentioning pewdiepie [it's a rightwing meme here in The Netherlands (not as a bad thing, I watch that shit as you might know) But with psychosis everything is a trigger, a bannana or fish on the street could trigger it].

Conclusion: I would like the mental health (in the real sense) would be better for everyone and that free weapon owange wouldn't be a problem, but todays (since before WWI) has driven people crazy and yes I prefer those things not to be in hands of the people because, as it shows, it takes one caveman to take out (what is it?) 49? people!

It's a thing we (as western society) have compartmentalized: If you don't talk to your neighbourhood and engage in social interactions with them: who are you to own a gun of any sort?

Local social interactions, taking everyone in is what CAN (not WILL) help. because putting everyone in a mental health facility turns out like that Poe story (you guys with the know, know which one, Peck Feather amiright?)

You can turn the TV off, you can engage (on Saidit) in conversation, but better, enage in your neighborhood (also if you didn't already).

Yeah I drank and yes this happened on my BDay, so YES I'M BLESSED WITH THE BLOOD SACRIFICE, fuck everyone who doesn't drink some tea (yes, for the disgruntled I fuck ISIS over harder with double wired barbed hands if you would insinuate I, ME, MNEMONIC would take up the stance for ANY FUCKED OVER SAND RELIGION! ALL THREE OF THEM WITH THEIR BOOKS SHOULD BURN AND THEIR ASHES POURED INTO THE SOUTH POLE TO REINCARNATED AS TOILET PAPER, BUT NOT ON MY ASS!) with other religions, even if they came from the sand.

TLDR; Humans shouldn't have invented guns so America would still be full of long black haired beauties (for all persuasions).

Hey so, you think this was a crazy rant? now take that knowlegde to the MF who shot 49 (or more?) people up, I hope I preached to be normal, that's all. and I was angry and drunk and it was my BD this happened, so you also might know how I feel, the inventor of everything and all.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Happy birthday man

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

drunk and a gun (and the NZ was psychotic mentioning

The shooter was an operative, he checked off all the memes, race war triggers, etc,.

[it's a rightwing meme here in The Netherlands (not as a bad thing, I watch that shit as you might know) But with psychosis everything is a trigger, a bannana or fish on the street could trigger it].

There is zero relation between mental health and commiting violence. Study after study prove this.

Poverty and drug use increase gun violence though. And the shooter did not have psychosis, he wouldn't of been able to effectively do what he did and plan it, whilst writing a well-written manifesto, that he probably did not write.

Conclusion: I would like the mental health (in the real sense) would be better for everyone and that free weapon owange wouldn't be a problem, but todays (since before WWI) has driven people crazy and yes I prefer those things not to be in hands of the people because, as it shows, it takes one caveman to take out (what is it?) 49? people!

He wasn't a caveman. And in the states people with guns stop bad people with guns all the time. And you want a government monopoly on firearms, the biggest mass murderers of all time?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I heard the shooter did it because he didn't like the new Captain Marvel movie.

/s

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I believe it.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I was joking but the rest of what I've heard about his manifesto sound mostly equally absurd. It also sound orchestrated to cause chaos and divide harder. Either "they" pushed this on him or he's echoed much of the nonsense out there.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I was too, but I agree, The manifesto is absurd.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah he drank the 8chan coolaid, and some agencies might have given him a few extra sips of an extra toxic mix, so to speak

[–]Mnemonic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the shooter did not have psychosis, he wouldn't of been able to effectively do what he did and plan it

Well I disagree on this, psychotic doesn't mean 'all out crazy' I'm drunk but that's not how pychosis works, they can be very 'normal'

And you want a government monopoly on firearms, the biggest mass murderers of all time?

That goes for all militia, a government is the one with the overpower (money, weapons, sexual interests) aka the one who has governance.

whilst writing a well-written manifesto, that he probably did not write.

I've read a bit and it's not well written and it's absurd to think he wrote that 'just before' doing it

Even if he did, doesn't mean he was right in anyway.

And in the states people with guns stop bad people with guns all the time.

'bad people with guns'

QED

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There is zero relation between mental health and commiting violence.

I would say committing mass violence against innocents is mental illness, or at least proof of it.

I wonder if this guy was on SSRIs... seems many mass shooters are.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Half the US population has some sort of mental illness. The mentally ill in general DO NOT have a higher propsensity to commit gun violence. There is, however, a correlation between gun violence, drug violence/use, and poverty.

The idea in many of these mass shootings espeically the US PSYOP ones is to push both the anti-gun control narrative whilst the right pushes for red flag laws, dissident laws, baker act laws (mental hygine laws) and any other law giving power to the police. The government wants to deem anyone who questions government pre-packaged narratives to be considered a harm to themselves or mentally ill. Dissident laws will come in teh US down the road. The media is already pushing stories about how conspiracy theorists are criminals.

You can NOT make the broad generalization that mentally ill people are the reason for gun violence (not that you have). It is just not the case; SSRI's that's a different story in iitself.

I know people who CAN NOT obtain a gun because they checked into a mental hospital 20 years ago. In their teenage years for anxiety, which everyone has some form of anxiety. In many states they are indefinately not allowed to purchase a gun even though they can prove they are mentally compenent.

During Obama, his admin signed a rule that made veterans who had trouble with finances and needed a guardians help criminals. They were considered criminals in the NICS system. Even teh ACLU was outraged by this rule.

No matter what, the government and states will keep passing laws to make it harder to obtain a gun. They Will use the mental health argument because that accounts for nearly half the US population.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The mentally ill in general DO NOT have a higher propsensity to commit gun violence.

I agree with that. But I also agree with that statement that almost everyone who goes on mass shootings is definitely mentally ill.

You can NOT make the broad generalization that mentally ill people are the reason for gun violence

I completely agree, the mental ill need no more negative stigma, they need help or to be left alone, usually. And there is a lot of abuse of the Baker Act on people who don't deserve it as well as political dissidents, couldn't agree more.

No matter what, the government and states will keep passing laws to make it harder to obtain a gun.

That does happen, but some states have loosened open carry-laws in some states in recent years. It's not entirely a one-way street. But it's obvious there is a big anti-gun push on the large scale.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, I'm under the belief that most high profile mass shootings in the US are either PSYOPs or conducted by operatives, not lone wolves with mental health problems... with no motives to boot too. Like in the Sandy Hook case; Adam 'no motive' Lanza, who most likely didn't exist to begin with and who is an echo of Ryan Lanza. No internet presence, though, he supossedly played video games non-stop, and Ryan is only seen in public domain records AFTER Adams records and whereabouts had disappeared. Plus, the fact that there's no records of the Lanza's purchasing the firearms used at the alleged shooting, even though the media stated their was, to the obscene, ridiculous notion that a 6'1 112lb slenderman could shoot a gun with that kill ratio and pass three schools in the process. The motive is obvious, it benefits the state departments agenda but that's another story for a different time.

There are a few shootings in the US that are legitemate and done by mentally ill subjects with no motive other than being mentally ill but with such a small percentage, to scoop up all those with mental health problems and place them in a category label with not only real mass shooters but also criminals in the NICS system is not only dangerous but deters their ability to ask and seek out mental health professionals for the sole reason their rights could be infringed on.

And yes, it is not a one way street. Though, the long term goal for many is citizen confiscation of firearms and the further militarization of police and passing of dissident laws. The constitution doesn't even apply to us anymore in their minds at least because the NDAA legally supersedes some aspects of it via the donestic declaration of war and the broaf definition of beligerants. And yes, our country is legally a declared warzone and can be bombed, if need be.

So, yes. Their are a few good reps left that work hard to codify the constitution into law, that work hard to sanctify and follow it always, but it needs not apply to the well placed scum at the top. The very same ones who call for disarmament.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Everyone in the military and who support the military and support the troops (like saying support the killer-slaves who have no say and if they refuse are tried under a secret court run by other killers) - all these folks have brainwash induced mental illness.