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[–]Dune1032 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Netanyahu also continually permitted Israeli settlements on Palestinian land. This is my proposal for peace. Palestinians will be given the West Bank enlarged by land equivalent to the Gaza Strip. In return, Israel will be given the Gaza Strip and land at least 3 times larger than the West Bank in the Sinai Peninsula. Some of the land will be adjacent to water so Israel can build desalination plants. What's in it for Egypt? Peace on its borders. The Sinai is inhospitable. Egypt does not have the technology to develop it, but Israel does.

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's more than Israel will offer.

They have broad a expansionist agenda. Here's a map of Eretz Israel. "The Greater Israel Project."

The long-term expansionist goal was on the flag of the Irgun, which joined another political group to form the current Likud party.

They have expansionist goals.

They will continue to expand for as long as they can get away with it.

[–]Dune1032 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Israel will get a lot, at least 3 times the land they would lose and peace. Israel should have engineers look over my plan to determine if it is feasible to make the land arable.

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Early Zionism considered settling in Patagonia or Angola. They would have had more land in either region.

This isn't about land, or religion. It's about resources, and the Rothschild's geopolitical control.

There are innumerable good reasons to end the conflicts.

The agents of Zionism are not honest in their dealings.

[–]Dune1032 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Land is a resource if it is habitable.

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's what they're after.

[–]Dune1032 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My plan would give it to them, but they would have to give the West Bank and land equivalent to the Gaza Strip to the Palestinians. The Palestinians would now be able to have their own country and Israel would be much larger.

[–]MisterPedo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

muslims have one goal: to control israel.

[–]Oyveygoyim 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

What?

[–]MisterPedo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

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in the christian bible, both old and new testament, is it documented that jews were in jerusalem? can you give me a brief history about them living in jerusalem/israel? why do muslims want to take control of israel?

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The presence of Jews in Jerusalem and the broader region of Israel is well-documented in the Christian Bible, both in the Old and New Testaments. Here's a brief history of the Jewish presence in Jerusalem and Israel based on biblical accounts:

Old Testament:

In the Old Testament, the city of Jerusalem is mentioned numerous times. King David captured the city and made it the capital of the united Kingdom of Israel and Judah around 1000 BCE (2 Samuel 5:6-10). His son, King Solomon, built the First Temple in Jerusalem.

Jerusalem was the religious and political center of ancient Israel and the location of the First Temple, which was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE. The Babylonian Exile followed, during which many Jews were taken to Babylon.

After the Persian Empire conquered Babylon, King Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to their homeland and rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, as documented in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah.

The Second Temple was constructed in Jerusalem during the reign of King Herod the Great and features prominently in the New Testament.

New Testament:

In the New Testament, Jerusalem is central to the life of Jesus Christ. It is where he was crucified and resurrected, as described in the Gospels.

The early Christian church also had a presence in Jerusalem, and the city is mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles and other New Testament writings.

Regarding your question about why Muslims want to take control of Israel, it's essential to note that "Muslims" as a whole do not share a singular, unified perspective or goal concerning Israel. Opinions and motivations regarding Israel vary widely among Muslims.

However, the issue is complex and deeply rooted in history, religion, politics, and nationalism:

Religious Significance: Jerusalem holds significant religious importance in Islam as well. It is considered the third holiest city in Islam, primarily because of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located in the Old City. This religious significance has made Jerusalem and its control a matter of great interest to many Muslims.

Historical Context: The modern conflict in the region has its roots in the Israeli-Arab conflict and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. This has led to various regional disputes and claims to the same territory.

Nationalism and Political Aspects: Many Muslim-majority countries have expressed support for the Palestinian cause and the desire for a Palestinian state. This support is often rooted in solidarity with fellow Arabs, Palestinian nationalism, and opposition to Israeli policies and actions in the region.

It's important to remember that the situation is multifaceted and not uniform among all Muslims. Opinions and motivations vary greatly, and this is a topic of significant international debate and diplomacy.

tldr: jews were in jerusalem before mohammad was born.

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

tldr: jews were in jerusalem before mohammad was born.

You're example is a logical fallacy. The colonist Jews are ethnic khazarians. They are not natives.

It's analogous to Chinese muslim Uyghurs claiming Saudi Arabia, because they're Muslim.

Can you find evidence that the khazarians lived in Jerusalem before the Arab Muslims?

[–]Oyveygoyim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And the jews lost that land after their first failed attempt to overthrow the Roman empire over 2,000 years ago. They only got the land back in the late 60s thanks to white nations. They have zero claim to that land especially after the continued genocide of Palestinians

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

which 4 of 5 ?

the ones his detractors have selected and used repeatedly?

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Dunno. Ask MSN.com.

It's impossible for an "terrorist" attack to last for over 6 hours on the Gaza border without a military reaction.

Probably everyone who has family who served in the IDF, and know the extreme nature of their security measures. It's obvious.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

weak points were selected and planned out well ahead

this was not some small action

israelis had to secure the invaded areas first

[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good luck convincing 80% is Israelis.