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[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

UN manipulation of poorer countries

What?

installing a puppet leader

Who? Zelensky, who won the free and fair observed election?

desire to pressure Russia over the strategic land that is Ukraine

What?

Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

What are you talking about?

This is wartime, we went on the offensive

What? Is "we" russia here? Or the Kherson offensive of the UAF last year? What are you talking about?

we elevated it again and again, and we've publicly stated with Ukrainian officials that we were planning on going on this offensive many times over the last several years.

What offensive? The zaporozhia offensive has only been talked about for 6 months or so.

The UN/US control all the propaganda

What is this althistory garbage? So you think USA and the UN have some mutual public communications employees? Which? Where? NYC?

What about when America has a leader who dislikes the UN? Does the public communications office in NYC which has both American and un staff, close when trump or Reagan is in charge?

What garbage universe are you living in?

Do you think, during dem presidencies, the editors in chief of all the media have to.. .call up this office in NYC? And check everything with the us and un propaganda controllers?

Is there hold music? The haughty editors are like "Oh I bet it's fucking fox spending hours with the propaganda controller customer service agents. I always call just after fucking fox"

US's continued imperialism.

What? You love imperialist wars of aggression. Why are you complaining about imperialism?

Most native people in Donbass

The native Cossack Ukrainians? Did you even look at the wiki links I gave you?

Seriously you live in such a garbage althistory fake universe of ruzz propaganda. Can't you think for yourself?

Honestly you come off as a cretin

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

1) Ukraine came to the US, UN, and Russia looking for financial help. The US/UN presented a deal, Russia presented a deal, Ukraine choose Russia, then we got angry and caused a coup, trying to make it look like a revolution. We do this oven, to many countries. Since then, we've been forcing them to make green energy, that we pay them mostly just to throw away. It is a small penance and Ukraine officials have states several times that they want to level Eastern Ukraine and turn it into green energy farms, so the UN nations will give them more money.

2) The UN/US ran the election, paid for the election, controlled the election, and vetted who was allowed to run for election. It was no more of a fair election than Russia's recent referendum that the US blew off as staged. Unfortunately, their sovereignty asks the US/UN for permission to piss.

3) Ukraine is the military key passage from West to East. It was a key point during WWII and will continue to be a key military point during this current World War.

4) All before the Russian intervention, between 2017 and 2020, Ukraine declared multiple times, that they were ready to go on the offensive against Russia. US officials declared around the same time, multiple times that Ukraine should go on the offensive. Ukraine increased pressure, instigation, and pushed more against Eastern Ukrainians. This resulted in human rights concerns. Yet, most countries kept their mouths shut, except the US, who was supportive and Russia, who went to Geneva with concerns of the Ukrainian government's steep increase of their decade long eradication of Ukrainians of Russian heritage. Geneva laughed at them, proving them not a non-biased world court and Western media propagandized laughing at the accusation of genocide as well. After this, Russia began the intervention that our media propagandizes as an invasion. Both are right from their own perspectives.

5) Yes, Western media all colludes together, US, UN, EU, it is all government controlled corporate propaganda. We don't have any real source of news. Fox is controlled just as much as AP and everyone else. Everyone who disagrees with your government programmed narrative is not just "some Fox news viewer", as Fox propagandizes the same narrative as everyone else. That Reddit thinking is for obvious morons.

6) The US's anti-democratic imperialistic oppression is not something to be cheered.

7) You should pay attention to history, Ukraine has been the center pivot of multi-region war for thousands of years. They are a diverse people split down the center. Their native people are half Russian heritage and half European heritage. Both of those heritages are from war time occupation and invasions.

Stop trolling me and learn some history for yourself.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

ruZ prop

Kids will be taught in school how idiots like you believed the fake ruzzian lies

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

ad hominem doesn't hide your ignorance on the topic.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What ignorance? I gave you links to the real history which you didn't read. You are ignorant on this topic.

If I have read and understood the real series of facts which happened. And you didn't read anything but just believed the ministry of truth.

Then which of us is ignorant?

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

you are a boring uneducated time-waster troll, the reason I left Reddit.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

  • I give you links with the truth

  • you call it boring and a waste of time

  • you continue regurgitating the fake reality which you didn't verify

Yeah I think it's clear which of us is the problem here, dipshit

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I called your trolling a boring waste of time...you're links were garbage propaganda.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If that's true then it's going to be really easy for you to name a single incorrect thing:

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You've said nothing, I've wasted my time saying a lot, apparently.