We Went To a Trump Rally: What We Heard Will Shock You

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[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The Due Dissidence guys were talking about this video earlier today. Y'know, it's funny, but whenever the anti- (or at least non-) idpol left talks about making common cause with Trump supporters, I always wonder what the Trump supporters are supposed to get out of the deal. That never seems to be explained. It always seems to be assumed that it would be a great boon for Trump supporters if the left, whoever that might comprise, magnanimously deigned to join them.

 

Would it?

 

I think Keaton and Russell are pretty great, but even on their own channel, while talking about financial hardships, they still can't resist snotty little references to "marginalized groups" and how oh well it's true that some Trump supporters really do have ever so deplorable views. Because just like Kshama Sawant, who was talking with them the other day, they're always going to be susceptible to this nonsense - being called a somethingphobe the instant they try to focus on class consciousness.

 

So why on earth would Trump supporters want to saddle themselves with the left? Their movement is ascendant, at least in their own party. They know who they are. They have at least a quarter of Congress, and that'll only increase given the trend of falling corporate influence within the GOP.

 

Meanwhile, the left has been chipped away, sold out, and boxed in, every supposed champion defanged and coopted in short order. The left can't even agree on what it means to be on the left. What could the left possibly bring to the table, assuming for the moment that that isn't an unacceptably colonialist metaphor rooted in cisheteronormative (omg redlining!) patriarchal modes of expression and conduct which implicitly otherize and problematize non-white furniture-based social codes?

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

what the Trump supporters are supposed to get out of the deal.

With 12% of Bernie Primary voters switching to Trump in 2016, bumping those rookie numbers up, would be helpful to MAGA. Conversely, what does MAGA offer the populist left? I would argue that some kind of accord on policy could be reached. But only if MAGA stops falling for "Communism" and the populist left falling for "Nazi."

For example, even Bernie was at one time for secure borders and gun rights. And I doubt he'd be hostile to protectionist trade policy. If MAGA would get more on board with MJ legalization and ending private prisons, we're half way there.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

With 12% of Bernie Primary voters switching to Trump in 2016, bumping those rookie numbers up, would be helpful to MAGA.

 

Hmm, sure, but just like Reagan Democrats, I think those people are Trump supporters now. They're not still on the Bernie left. I'm not sure there's 12% of any one group on the left that's available to Trump right now, not without doing considerable organization and consolidation on the left.

The commie/Nazi thing reminded me of that time the Hillary people got caught trying to disrupt Trump rallies disguised as Bernie supporters, and the Great Reconciliation and mutual apologies between wotb and T_D, and a renewed common determination not to let Her Inevitability get away with it. That was funny but also heartwarming 🥰

 

"Y'all are okay, ya commie bastards ;)"

"You're ok too, ya white-nationalists ;)"

 

Anyway there I think the left is in a better place than the Trump supporters as far as being closer to the truth goes. But I'm not sure that's a relevant metric.

 

edit: as far as marijuana goes, I don't think that's much of an issue for anyone anymore, even the GOPe has given up. I thought it was pretty much just me and Ann Coulter still opposing it 😄

The left's position on private prisons could probably be sold for the reversal of deinstitutionalization.

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not sure there's 12% of any one group on the left that's available to Trump right now

I doubt that the current participants of r/WotB are ready to make that leap. Too many still split between West, Williamson and Kennedy.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, and my guess would be that wotb represents the part of the left most open to it. Therefore there's no conversation to be had until a later stage in the new sorting-out of broader electorate.

Well, assuming the planet's still around.

[–]RandomCollection 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. Real economic issues are at stake.

[–]MartiniPlease send olives! 🍸 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Party_System

We are very overdue for the Seventh to arise.

Random relevance: https://old.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/6jpc1f/was_it_the_corbyn_memes_wot_won_it_absolute_boy/djgmp8t/

u/inuma u/susanj

[–]SusanJ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It really does feel like a dealignment is happening. Hopefully Cornel West will pick up a lot of those disaffected voters!

Sorry I missed your message, and the DP too! Was in the woods and no internet for a few days:)

[–]BerryBoy1969It's not red vs. blue - It's capital vs. you 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

These are American citizens talking about the issues they confront every day of their lives. If you're not a blind partisan traveling in your own insulated circles, you know these conversations are had, and they're had by more "normal" people than our owners media would like you to believe.

You see it every day from TPTB, trying their best to keep people distracted from the real issues, by bombarding them with inconsequential, current thing culture war battles for the heart and soul of the snowflakes who seek safety and protection from a corrupt government that has no power to provide it's citizens protection from it's owners and operators.

More people, every day, are processing the reality that surrounds them, and are following rational thoughts through to their logical conclusions.

People aren't looking for political saviors anymore. Too many people understand the system is institutionally incapable of reform, and that both parties are subservient, submissive whores to their capitalist masters.

2024 promises another long, hot summer of discontent for our managers...

[–]risistill me 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

People aren't looking for political saviors anymore.

I don't see much evidence for that, even in this sub.

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    [–]risistill me 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    First, maybe you are. That doesn't mean everyone is. I've seen a lot of "real deal" type comments and above.

    As far as minimum damage, good luck with that calculation. It's not as though each pol damages us in the same ways so that we can quantify. Also, I find it difficult to imagine that so much focus and energy is put into a Presidential race only for the allegedly least damage.

    [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    I like the Faker Votes T-shirt. Really well rendered, whether one believes the 2020 results or not.

    There's a Nixon version too!

    [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    Funny, whenever people mention Trump's wealth, they never mention that he's the only modern president whose net worth has gone down since his presidency. Occasionally online liberals will make fun of that fact, but no one contrasts it favorably with the Clintons and the Obamas suddenly rocketing into 9 figures.

    I have a much bigger problem with politicians who get rich in office, or immediately upon leaving office.

    [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    I've read that Trump claims to be a multi-billionaire but that this is just another one of his many fictions.

    [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Forbes and other publications dispute the number of billions (10? 5? 4?) but I've never heard anyone claim he isn't worth multiple billions. His most outlandish (and funniest) claims have been repeatedly fact-checked by hostile outlets and found to be perfectly true, such as owning a store that's worth three Mitt Romneys.

    [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Well, I seem to have remembered it fairly accurately:

    TrumpNation: The Art of Being the Donald is a 2005 biographical book about Donald Trump that was written by Timothy L. O'Brien and published by Warner Books. After the book was published, Trump filed a $5 billion lawsuit against O'Brien, who had written that Trump was not a billionaire and that his net worth actually ranged between $150 million and $250 million. Trump sought $2.5 billion in compensatory damages and an additional $2.5 billion in punitive damages. The lawsuit was dismissed in 2009, and an appeals court affirmed the decision in 2011.

    [–]risistill me 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Dismissal typically is not a decision on the merits of the lawsuit, though. So, I don't know that dismissal proved anything about Trump's wealth either way. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Is+Trump+a+billionaire+or+not%3F&ia=web

    [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Trump does sue anyone and everyone with a certain carefree abandon that can induce an uneasy Mandela effect uncertainty that Sullivan was ever decided 😄

     

    But the store is real.

     

    Peter Hausperg, chairman and CEO of Eastern Consolidated Real Estate Investment Services in New York, ran the numbers this way: He subtracted 15 percent from Gucci's reported $16.5 million annual rent to account for taxes, insurance and other expenses and then assigned a capitalization rate of 2 percent — which he called generous but reasonable given the state of the market and the store's prime location.

    Using those numbers, Hausperg pegged the value of the Gucci store at about $701 million.

    "So there's three times Mitt's net worth," Hausperg said with a laugh.

    [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

    The Clintons claim they were broke when Bill left office.

    "They got better."

    [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Hmm, I know I've heard Hillary say that. Has Bill ever said it?

    I think she is more of a shameless liar than he ever was, regardless of what the definition of "is" is.

    [–]risistill me 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I never had sexual relations with that woman..Ms Lewinski.

    Do we need to decide which of them is the bigger liair?

    [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

    Hillary has the amazing ability to believe and promote multiple conflicting lies simultaneously. Ah, if only she had used her brains for good.

    [–]3andfro 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    What's good for Hillary and Clinton, Inc. must be for the greater good!

    [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I remember Ann Coulter was once asked to comment on something Hillary's campaign had done. She stared at the screenshot in a sort of bemused perplexity for a moment before saying, "I wonder if we were all wrong, maybe she's actually just stupid."

    But I think Hillary's problem has always been that she thinks everyone else is just stupid. There are plenty of politicians from her era who've realized that you can't change accents from audience to audience anymore, not in a world where video clips can be shared instantaneously. She hasn't. It explains why her ads were almost entirely policy-free. Liberals often quote Trump saying "I love the poorly educated" as if it's a gotcha. But it isn't; he was talking about polling and expressing his gratitude for the support of voters without a college degree, and praising their discernment and loyalty. Hillary was the one treating her voters as if they were incapable of discernment.

    It's her fixed contempt for the public that was the stumbling block. Unlike her husband, she doesn't have the charisma that makes people want to believe her, and without that, all the lies just fall flat.

    [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    But I think Hillary's problem has always been that she thinks everyone else is just stupid.

    Hillary spent so much time with gullible Democrats that she thought the rest of the voters were equally gullible.

    [–]InumaGaming Socialist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Nope. She literally had slaves in Arkansas.

    She thinks we're all slaves to her and what she knows best for us.

    [–]kingsmegLiberté, égalité, fraternité 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Doesn't shock me at all. I work with these people every day. Well I used to until the f-ing jab.

    [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This is the way to do it, thanks for posting it.