Israeli Death Tolls for the October 7 Hamas Attack on Israel (ROBERT LINDSAY on Substack, archived just in case) by kingsmeg in WayOfTheBern

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Yup.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of the so called press are still saying "1400" and some have either quietly changed "Civilians" to "Israelis" or are still claiming all 1400 are civilians.

Israeli Death Tolls for the October 7 Hamas Attack on Israel (ROBERT LINDSAY on Substack, archived just in case) by kingsmeg in WayOfTheBern

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FYI in case you missed it (because apparently all the "journalist" organizations have also missed it).

Israel itself has downgraded the victims from 1400 to 1200.

Times of Israel: Israel said seeking to appoint UK’s Tony Blair as Gaza humanitarian coordinator by Maniak in WayOfTheBern

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It's because they know Blair will absolutely suppress any evidence of Israeli wrongdoing.

'Democrats were happy to have a Palestinian woman in congress until they found out she was the “Palestinians are human beings” kind of Palestinian and not the “Look how diverse and inclusive Democrats are” kind.' by RandomCollection in WayOfTheBern

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Yeah, "Liberals" only care about minorities as a token. They're no different from the right on that.

The difference is, they only pretend to be allies until they get what they want, then the minorities can pound sand.

Having a hard time caring about the latest Israel/Palestine conflict because like it or not, Covid is still far and away the bigger issue. by tomatopotato in WayOfTheBern

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Btw /u/tomatopotato , I recommend you watch this entire interview with Richard Wolff, he gives even more explanation on why you should care and how it's all related.

@MaxBlumenthal: Nikki Haley on Gaza: “If you do a pause, if you do a ceasefire, people die.” by Maniak in WayOfTheBern

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She doesn't consider Palestinians "people".

@FiorellaIsabelM: Robert F. Kennedy Jr says the quiet part out loud & fully destroys his campaign. by Maniak in WayOfTheBern

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I actually think that was more a France/US thing, but you're probably right.

Having a hard time caring about the latest Israel/Palestine conflict because like it or not, Covid is still far and away the bigger issue. by tomatopotato in WayOfTheBern

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You should care for multiple reasons;

1- Everything you mentioned is related.

2- What happens to Palestinians, eventually happens to Americans and Europeans, they're literally used as Guinea pig for surveillance tech for example, and US law enforcement is trained by Israel in shutting down protests/movements. One thing to note is that the covid vaccine was heavily "tested" by Israel, among other sinister human experimentation. So yeah, if you care about Covid, you SHOULD care about what Israel has done, is doing, and will do.

3- The current juncture IS critical; Israeli government officials, including their prime minister, are openly stating genocidal intent. Their actions and the usage of the "Dahiya Doctrine" is more evidence of that. Dismissing it or ignoring it is encouraging more of this behavior world wide.

4- Israel with the help of the US and Western governments, are actively destroying international law, including the intentional blurring of what constitutes a civilian, meaning it's not at all beyond reality that the same kind of mass punishment and destruction can and will be used against internal dissidents citing precedents (not like the US for example doesn't have a looooong history of using violence against dissidents anyway). For example, it's not beyond belief that they wouldn't do something worse than they did in 1985 against the MOVE organization, against say a "MAGA target", on a much wider scale, stating the need to "destroy the terrorist cell".

Remember, the same "laws" drafted for the "War on Terror", have been used against Americans for merely going against the government.

5- This "conflict" absolutely has the potential to expand into another world war, because Israel wants the west to go after Iran and is using the current situation as an excuse. That affects everyone. Meanwhile, both Russia and China have been flexing their muscles in the region as well. You think Gas is expensive now? Just wait until China "encourages" Oil producing countries to sell more of their oil to China than they do to the US and the west.

6- US and Western support for what Israel is doing, is absolutely eroding US and Western image and support around the entire world, especially when the global south compares the hypocrisy in how it dealt with Ukraine vs how it dealt with Palestine (although I argue that they didn't behave differently; In both cases they're supporting the oppressor, Kyiv and Tel Aviv, vs Donbass and Palestine). It's not beyond the scope of belief to assume the long term repercussions against the US wouldn't compound and grow into something that affects all Americans negatively.

Having a hard time caring about the latest Israel/Palestine conflict because like it or not, Covid is still far and away the bigger issue. by tomatopotato in WayOfTheBern

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Yup, they're all related.

@DrJillStein: Alleged Hamas tunnel - for which Sheikh Hamad Hospital was bombed - turns out to be a water tank. Even if it was a tunnel, it's a war crime to bomb a hospital. Now even that bogus excuse bites the dust. by Maniak in WayOfTheBern

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Literally.

IDF troops were also seen confiscating a water tank, how much do you wanna bet it's going to show up as "evidence" soon?

@FiorellaIsabelM: Robert F. Kennedy Jr says the quiet part out loud & fully destroys his campaign. by Maniak in WayOfTheBern

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Holy fucking shit.

@meowsandry Guys I’m literally crying all of the names are just IDF soldiers just zoom in and look it’s all sergeants and majors 😭😭😭😭 by therazorx in WayOfTheBern

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If AlQassam are to be believed, then yes. They claimed they've captured solders from the ground offensive. There is one theory that many of the names of those Israel released as KIA were actually captured not killed.

@FiorellaIsabelM: Robert F. Kennedy Jr says the quiet part out loud & fully destroys his campaign. by Maniak in WayOfTheBern

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Yes, but that's not entirely the full truth.

Propping up oppressive dictators, and overthrowing leaders (like in Libya), generates a lot of hate as well. Most MENA folks just want the US to stop meddling period.

@FiorellaIsabelM: Robert F. Kennedy Jr says the quiet part out loud & fully destroys his campaign. by Maniak in WayOfTheBern

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Wait seriously?

You never get used to it. by therazorx in WayOfTheBern

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<3

The Questions for Egypt by RandomCollection in WayOfTheBern

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Considering the volatile situation in Egypt right now, they might be forced to. Keep in mind I'm not saying the Egyptian government is right with what I type below, but just stating the situation.

Basically Egypt's government is between a rock and a hard place. The economy is in shambles, and inequality has gotten to insane levels, to the point that there isn't a middle class anymore at all, much needed food sources like Wheat have gone up in price due to Ukraine, if you can even find enough...etc.

Add to that, while the vast majority of Egyptians don't trust their government, a sizable group thinks Jan 25, and any attempts to remove the government is a "foreign conspiracy" (and they're not wrong, but there's no smoke without fire either).

So the Egyptian government's choices all suck; The country is in no shape way or form in a position to go to war. especially considering both Libya and Sudan are at war, and the majority of troops are committed to defending those borders (which is very difficult on the Libya side), and also fighting against Islamists in Sinai.

They're also not in a position to turn down the west, considering the current reliance on IMF and US-Aligned Gulf loans to keep the country afloat and not default.

But the populace, even the most staunchly anti-Hamas, are in support of Palestinians, even the strongest "opposition" atm is just that "No, we support you but we will not go to war for you", and there's definitely the whole "Yeah, we're not going to let you displace them into Sinai" thing.

and I think the "regime authorized protests" that happened in support of Palestine was in a way an intentional "anger venting" outlet (hence why the regime allowed it), but even those got out of the control of the Egyptian government, so it's not a far fetched idea to think that those protests might turn into anti-regime protests very easily and that scares them because anger at the regime is at an all time high (in fact, prior to Oct 7th, the government went out of its way to harass and sabotage a presidential candidate because he was gaining too much support), it's not far fetched because the protests in 2011 can pretty much be directly linked back to earlier pro-Palestine protest movements.

So yeah, for the government that doesn't want to get overthrown, they have no good choices at all, at least none that I can think of.

The Questions for Egypt by RandomCollection in WayOfTheBern

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I know for a fact, they care less or just about the same.

They DO care somewhat, and public opinion can shift the behavior of the government, but it rarely does.

Americans are following the news less closely than they used to by RandomCollection in WayOfTheBern

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I wonder if someone actually studied this.

Like did a research project to figure out how properly informed (not propagandized) people are based on number of hours of cable news they consume vs maybe social media or something.

Western Propaganda Gets More Desperate as World Majority Sides with China and Russia Against the US over Gaza | naked capitalism by RandomCollection in WayOfTheBern

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First off, I remember when news media outlets in the First Amendment-loving US used to criticize China for its lack of press freedom; but the New York Times is now accusing Beijing of not cracking down enough on its news media and online discourse in order to silence criticism of Israel and the US. Good luck with that.

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@Elazul: I need to point something out about the whole "they're backing Palestine cause of Tiktok" thing.

They don't control tiktok, so they can't control the algorithms on it.

Remember that Israeli official, that said objective media coverage benefits Hamas?

Put 2+2 together.

They're saying the quiet part out loud indirectly.

Any non-west controlled platform to them is a threat because they don't get to pick the narrative they push on it.

Remember how Instagram constantly "mistakenly" flagged pro Palestine accounts? Facebook?

Yeah.

@scotthortonshow: Last Friday RFK's entire field team, led by Rep. Dana Rorabacher's wife, all quit. Maybe he should stop taking bad advice from foreign powers about restricting the sacred right of Americans to say whatever we want. Like for example: Go fuck yourself Mr. Kennedy, ya disgrace. by Maniak in WayOfTheBern

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@Elazul: Dear Dems and GOP;

You know which Presidential candidate I'm voting for in 2024?

The Anti-Genocide candidate.

Oh you don't have one? Too bad🤷‍♂️.

If you can't find a candidate that opposes LITERAL FUCKING GENOCIDE, then there is no "lesser evil" to vote for.

Now fuck off.

Caitlin Johnstone: We Keep Our Gaze Fixed On Gaza by Maniak in WayOfTheBern

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I'm going to copy and paste something I wrote to /u/penelopepnortney in DM 9 days ago (typos and all)

I can never get used to it.

I've been seeing images and videos of people that look like me murdered, dismembered...etc. pretty much my entire life. I can never get used to it.

The earliest memory I have of actually paying attention, was when Clinton Bombed Iraq and Sudan. I had lived through the earlier shit, but didn't pay attention or really understand it, I just knew things were bad.

They say you get desensitized after a while.... No, you just stop reacting outwardly, inside you still die a bit more, a bit more, a bit more, whenever you feel like there's no more left to die, another bit dies.

You sit glued to yet another screen, watching and screaming inside as you see yet another explosion, hear yet another bullet, cause you know it'll lead to yet another group of mangled bodies, another group of lost souls, another group of survivors that will live with the scars and trauma until they die. You know because you've seen it before, so so so many times before that you've lost count, yet you convince yourself "Hey, this is nothing new, I'm use to this, I can take it". You look at the pictures of corpses, of the blood, of the death, and you say "Hey, this is nothing new, I'm use to this, I can take it".

But no, you can't. You endure it because you feel you must, almost like a penance for the fact that you survived when they didn't. That you're whole while they're not.

Listening to the horrors friends and family have faced from the ones that managed to escape... watching them describe what happened to their loved ones.... Looking at their injuries, their amputations...etc. You just stop reacting outwardly, or if you do, you fake it, you express shock and horror as you know you should, but you no longer feel it. You just feel more and more dead inside.

But you still listen, and you visualize what you hear, imprinting it to memory, almost like some morbid curiosity to do so, but more so because inside you feel so helpless, like this is the only thing you can do to help; Listen and remember.

It's utterly hilarious about all those "WeLl wHy DoN't ThE aRaB cOunTries tAke tHem" bullshit being spouted; they have, repeatedly, I know because I've met them, befriended them, lived with them, laughed with them, fought with them, ate with them, got drunk with them, loved (and fell in love with) some of them and hated some of them, listened to their stories, listened to their trauma and horrors.

But to armchair pundits that are always eager to erase them, they're erased yet again to serve the gluttonous geopolitical purposes of the propagandists the pundits listen to. They neither exist in their own lands, nor in other lands. Erased.

They're erased, over and over again, literally and figuratively. Over and over again. Makes standing witness and remembering their stories and experiences feel much more important, or maybe that's what I tell myself to make myself feel better about my relative helplessness.

Neil Gaiman's Sandman has a quote that I always loved and hated;

HOB GADLING: I do think you're listening to me, from somewhere. I mean, I've seen too much over the years to believe that it starts and ends with bodies. There's something around before bodies start, something around after they rot. Buggered if I know what it is, though. Somebody once told me you don't really die until everyone that you knew is dead, too. Think of all the people I'm keeping alive, eh? I don't know.

I don't remember what you smell like. You've been gone two days, and I don't remember how you smelled. You didn't smell like anyone else. I like the way you smelled. I...

I miss you a lot.

It doesn't matter if they were Iraqi or Palestinian, Afghani or Armenian...etc. You end up listening, and dying bit by bit inside.

They say a life well lived is the best revenge, and that may be true for the self, for self preservation, for the part of you that wants to continue living despite the thousands of deaths and mutilations you've stood witness to, but for the rest of you? You become cynical and bitter, you spiral, you randomly sob, and randomly full out cry, and even that makes you feel guilty, because how dare I cry? I'm alive, they're not. I have a roof over my head, and food and water to drink, they don't. I have all my limbs, I have my health, they don't. How dare I feel sorry for myself? How dare I feel sorry for myself when I've seen a mother cry over her dead children? Orphans over their dead parents? So you hate yourself a bit more, and push yourself a bit more to do what little you can to get their voice out.

It is of little comfort that I know myself to be morally superior to the gluttonous hypocritical ghouls that murder and mutilate all these people, because I know that unlike they, I would never willingly condemn innocent souls to death or suffering for the sake of more pieces of green paper than I could ever realistically spend without becoming a glutton myself.

It's of little comfort, but it's a comfort I hold onto; I haven't lost my humanity. I still feel despite the millions of deaths of my soul. I still empathize even with those that I should in theory hate. I still live. So I have to remember. I have to remember how it feels, because maybe just maybe, one day I'll be in a position of power strong enough to stop it or do something about it, to keep everyone alive and happy. Maybe. Might never happen, but the chance is non-zero, so I must remember.

But I digress, I'm incredibly emotional right now, so I'm kinda waxing poetic.

@Jonathan_K_Cook The Nation on how, with the help of Jewish donors, Benjamin Netanyahu set up Project Butterfly, illegally creating an espionage network and troll farm in the US. The aim was to damage pro-Palestinian activism. And the intelligence agencies found themselves powerless to act: by therazorx in WayOfTheBern

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I need to figure out how to get back into my account.

I wiped the hell out of it and changed the password to gibberish back during the reddit rebellion.

@Jonathan_K_Cook The Nation on how, with the help of Jewish donors, Benjamin Netanyahu set up Project Butterfly, illegally creating an espionage network and troll farm in the US. The aim was to damage pro-Palestinian activism. And the intelligence agencies found themselves powerless to act: by therazorx in WayOfTheBern

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In charge of Netanyahu’s secret war in the United States was Gilad Erdan, then head of the highly secret Ministry of Strategic Affairs and now Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations. His deputy was Sima Vaknin-Gil, a reserve brigadier general. In a talk to a group of Israeli-Americans in Washington, Vaknin-Gil outlined another high-tech spying tool Israel was secretly using to target Americans within the US. In her talk, she said that Israel was waging its covert war so that the “narrative in the world won’t be that Israel equals apartheid.” Thus, the ministry needed to quickly silence the growing boycott movement and its messengers, before what happened in apartheid South Africa happened to apartheid Israel.

To those ends, General Vaknin-Gil issued a stark warning. “In order to win,” she said, “we must use tricks and craftiness.” They would include threats, intimidation, harassment, covert influence operations, troll farms, fearmongering, blacklists, and espionage. The key was turning thousands of Americans into clandestine Israeli agents to spy on and carry out the operations against their fellow citizens. Secrecy, emphasized Vaknin-Gil, was therefore critical. “We are a different government working on a foreign soil, and we have to be very, very cautious,” she said.

Then she outlined plans to set up a sophisticated covert intelligence unit to spy on Americans involved in the boycott movement and take action against them. According to Vaknin-Gil: “Ambiguity is part of our guidelines, that’s why I’m not going to say anything too much about each one of the legs. The first one is intel, intelligence, or data, or information. What we’ve done is mapped and analyzed the whole [boycott] phenomena globally. Not just the United States, not just campuses, but…labor unions and churches. We started to establish a project called Israel Cyber Shield. This is actually a civil intelligence unit that collects, analyzes, and acts upon the activists in the BDS movement, of its people, organizations, or events. And we give it everything we collect. We are using the most sophisticated data system, intelligence system in the Israeli market.”

Israel Cyber Shield, therefore, was a clandestine Israeli intelligence organization designed to spy not just on American students but also Christian churchgoers and labor unionists. And it was the recipient of Israel’s massive intelligence resources. Once its targets were identified, according to Vaknin-Gil, the ministry then “acts upon” them using covert operations. Key was hiding all Israeli government links to the operation and its targeting of Americans.

Around the same time, Israel’s Ministry of Strategic Affairs budgeted another $570,000 to create a computer and smartphone application that would turn thousands of Americans into a robotic army of Israeli trolls. Assigned “missions” from troll headquarters near Tel Aviv, they would hide their links to Israel and launch online attacks against their US targets, including critics of Israel, boycott supporters, and human rights activists.

“Call it a human ‘botnet,’” said journalist Josh Nathan-Kazis in the The Forward, who reports that “it has thousands of mostly U.S.-based volunteers who can be directed from Israel into a social media swarm.” “We work with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Strategic Affairs, consult with them and manage joint projects,” said Yarden Ben-Yosef, the head of the troll farm. “The same with the intelligence agencies,” he added. “We talk with each other. We work together.”

Despite the enormous extent of Israel’s illegal covert operations within the US targeting innocent and unsuspecting Americans, the clandestine agents involved are granted virtual immunity from arrest by pressure on top politicians from wealthy and powerful pro-Israel groups like AIPAC. It is a situation that greatly frustrates many in the FBI. It means bureau personnel are constantly required to close their eyes when it comes to criminal activity by Israel.

According to I.C. Smith, a former top FBI counterintelligence officer, “Dealing with the Israelis was, for those assigned that area, extremely frustrating. The Israelis were supremely confident that they had the clout, especially on the Hill, to basically get [away] with just about anything.” Another former top intelligence official said, “You catch them red-handed, and they shrug and say, ‘Okay now, anything else?’”

At one point, as angry senior US intelligence officials were testifying about Israeli espionage in secret sessions before the House Judiciary and Foreign Affairs Committees, that frustration spilled out in public. “US intelligence officials trooped up to Capitol Hill to tell U.S. lawmakers considering visa waivers for Israelis that Jerusalem’s spying here had ‘crossed redlines,’” wrote Newsweek’s Jeff Stein. The extent of the spying was “quite shocking,” one staffer who was there told Stein, adding that he found the testimony “very sobering…alarming…even terrifying.” Others called it “unrivaled” and “unseemly,” and noted that “it has been extensive for years.” And a former staffer who attended a similar classified briefing exclaimed, “No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do.”

Over the years, as Israeli intelligence increased its secret war on innocent Americans, it likewise paid less and less attention to Hamas. Relatively quiet behind the high walls and barbed wire in Gaza, they assumed that its members had become docile and submissive. A minor outbreak, and they would simply send in the guns and armored personnel carriers and “mow the grass.”

@Jonathan_K_Cook The Nation on how, with the help of Jewish donors, Benjamin Netanyahu set up Project Butterfly, illegally creating an espionage network and troll farm in the US. The aim was to damage pro-Palestinian activism. And the intelligence agencies found themselves powerless to act: by therazorx in WayOfTheBern

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Excerpt from actual article

Netanyahu’s greatest fear was that as a result of the growing strength of the BDS movement, the American public would finally begin seeing Israel in the same light that many people in the rest of the world, and even in Israel, saw it: as a brutal apartheid state. The more Israel’s atrocities came to light, the more the BDS movement gained strength around the country. On the same weekend that Adelson’s secret task force was forming in Las Vegas, an Associated Press news article noted, “In boardrooms and campuses, on social media and in celebrity circles, momentum seems to be growing for a global pressure campaign on Israel. The atmosphere recalls the boycotts that helped demolish apartheid South Africa a quarter century ago…. Increasingly prominent is the so‑called ‘BDS’ (boycott-disinvestment-sanctions) movement, run by Palestinians and leftist activists from around the world.”

Hence Netanyahu’s move to counter the protesters with lots of money to buy political power in Washington to create laws making it a crime to boycott Israel. The group at the Venetian would make up what would become Adelson’s Army, a task force of Gulfstream warriors (since so many of them owned private jets). The objective was the launch of a political and psychological war targeting Americans on behalf of Israel.

Before the night was over, the group had raised upwards of $50 million for Netanyahu’s war inside the United States; tens of millions more would covertly come from the Israeli government through a variety of hidden fronts and shell organizations. At the same time the Las Vegas gathering was taking place, Netanyahu was meeting with his top national security and intelligence officials. He told them they would receive at least $30 million from the government for the campaign, and with the help of Adelson’s group and others possibly as much as $900 million.

There was a reason the Adelson task force formally demanded pledges of secrecy before, during, and after the meeting. Once they closed the door at the Venetian, they opened the door to potential criminal prosecution as agents of a foreign power, a very serious offense punishable by up to a decade in prison. According to 18 USC § 951: “Whoever, other than a diplomatic or consular officer or attaché, acts in the United States as an agent of a foreign government without prior notification to the Attorney General…shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both…. For purposes of this section, the term ‘agent of a foreign government’ means an individual who agrees to operate within the United States subject to the direction or control of a foreign government or official.”

Yet that, in fact, was precisely what Netanyahu was proposing.

Within a few months, Netanyahu’s war began. Key Jewish donors in the United States were secretly approached with a proposal by Psy-Group, an Israeli psychological warfare firm with close connections to Mossad. Code-named “Project Butterfly,” the proposal outlined a clandestine operation within the “theater of action,” as the company referred to the United States. Its purpose was to damage specific Americans and US organizations associated with the boycott movement. It would develop ways to disrupt their activities, lead them to be falsely investigated by the authorities, and run a hidden media influence campaign against them.

According to its secret internal operations plan, Project Butterfly was aimed at “executing intelligence and influence efforts” against Americans by creating an “infrastructure for narrative warfare— alternative messaging and negative platforms.” In other words, by creating fake news outlets, phony Facebook personas and posts, and other forms of information warfare, Psy Group’s goal was to deliberately deceive the American public about Israel and its actions against the Palestinians.

To accomplish these goals, the group was seeking $2.5 million for the operation’s first year of a three-year plan and promised it would conduct its activities in utmost secrecy. All links to the donors would be hidden and none of the actions would be traceable to Jews or Israelis. The importance of the operation and its closeness to Netanyahu can be seen in Project Butterfly’s top officials. Among them was Netanyahu’s former deputy director of Mossad and director general of the Ministry of Intelligence and Strategic Affairs, Ram Ben-Barak, who was the project’s strategic adviser. Comparing the effort against the American boycotters to “a war,” he said, “you don’t kill them but you do have to deal with them in other ways.”

Those “other ways” were outlined in the Project Butterfly operational plan: “The Butterfly initiative uses PSY’s proprietary intelligence-gathering and influence techniques to destabilize and disrupt anti-Israel movements from within,” it said, referring to the United States. In addition to spying on innocent Americans, the group created fake news outlets in an Orwellian effort to brand the nonviolent boycotters and their supporters as “terrorists.” According to Psy-Group’s Project Butterfly operations plan, the covert Israeli organization “achieved high-impact results against targeted individuals” while making sure its own activities are “not connected to Israel.”

The actions included efforts to destroy the reputations of students and faculty, subjecting people to unwarranted investigations, and charges of “persecution,” that is, endless phony accusations of “anti-Semitism,” as well as false and slanderous accounts provided to national cable and broadcast news organizations. Among the accomplishments, as outlined in the secret operations plan:

• Damage to target’s standing/reputation (bad reviews, fall in support, etc.)

• Cancellation or disruption of events

• Online and offline echoing of “persecution” by targets

• Inquiries/Investigations commenced

• Lawsuits filed/threats to sue

• Media coverage and masked PR (i.e., not attributable to us)

Islamic Resistance in Iraq vows to expel US troops ¦ Kataib Hezbollah Secretary-General warns that the Resistance will pursue armed struggle until US troops are expelled from the country. by RandomCollection in WayOfTheBern

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Not only voted, but asked them to do so multiple times, and each time the US goes "Lol no".

@mona_fawaz Respect! The Director of the NY Office of UN High Commissioner of Human Rights just resigned: “Once again, we are seeing a genocide unfolding before our eyes, and the Organization that we serve appears powerless to stop it.” Letter below- by therazorx in WayOfTheBern

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Yup.

And NATO stole all the gold he had stockpiled to do it.

Don't forget all the cash they stole as well.

Edit:

Oh and speaking of "Domestic" crimes, this Askhistorians thread is pretty telling.

For example;

Perhaps that's western bias. But the reality is that he earned his reputation as an autocrat, quashing dissidents swiftly. Some would point out his leniency (relative), in that he'd often exile dissenters for a set period of time with no threat of imprisonment or punishment when the de-facto sentence was up and they returned. While that is certainly preferable to being hanged for going against say, the Ayatollah, there can be no question that it was an authoritarian regime uninterested in giving power to its people. The power dynamic that feigned republican checks and balances did little other than put window dressing on centralized oversight.

and

In 1984, whatever leniency he'd promised was shown to be reneged upon at best, and a lie at worst. He had his forces execute Al-Sadek Hamed Al-Shuwehdy on state television in a stadium for joining anti-government campaigns. What's noteworthy to the west is that Al-Sadek was an engineering student studying in the U.S. on a visa. The implications were grim.

Moving into 1986, the U.S. accused Gaddafi, or at least his Libyan loyalists, of being behind the Berlin discotheque bombing. An oil embargo was enforced, and then Reagan pushed for military intervention. In a brief bombing campaign, Libyan civilians were killed. This painted the US in a bad light on the world stage, and boosted Gaddafi's profile. It's not unrealistic to think that outside of the US, this might help garner sympathy for him.

However, Gaddafi refused to release two Libyan suspected of bombing a Scottish flight over Scotland in '88. The UN, British Parliament, and US all took very strong stances against the nation and its leader for this. Over 270 people were killed in the attack, and his complacence in sheltering the suspects is nearly impossible to paint in a favorable light. EDIT: he did finally release the two in 1999, and the flight was US-bound.

So basically his crimes were not that dissimilar to what the west does.

US Neocons Accidentally Act as Great Uniter in Caucasus | naked capitalism by RandomCollection in WayOfTheBern

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I admit I haven't paid much attention to Armenia but yeah I wouldn't be surprised.

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Since he follows you, toss him a DM

@mona_fawaz Respect! The Director of the NY Office of UN High Commissioner of Human Rights just resigned: “Once again, we are seeing a genocide unfolding before our eyes, and the Organization that we serve appears powerless to stop it.” Letter below- by therazorx in WayOfTheBern

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Like I said before, the more I actually learn about Qaddafi, the more I grow to like the man, unfortunately too late.

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He follows thumb too I think, and I know he defended WOTB from the smears back in... 2020 i think? saying he lurked here (well "there").

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He was the leader of the 2018 Armenian revolution which forced Prime Minister Serzh Sargsyan and his government to resign.

And

Pashinyan's new government included multiple liberal western NGO activists being appointed to senior positions 9

The government he led a "revolution" against?

According to the Freedom House report "In 2011, the government took concrete steps to fulfill longstanding and often repeated promises to confront corruption. E-government services reduced opportunities for bribery, while new regulations and stricter enforcement led to higher numbers of corruption lawsuits and fines against senior officials and large companies. Owing to a more consolidated government effort to eradicate corruption, Armenia's corruption rating improve[d] from 5.50 to 5.25.

During Sargsyan's presidency the record of the freedom of speech and the freedom of press in general also improved in Armenia. Internet penetration rose sharply – from 6.2 percent in 2008 to 37 percent in 2011, providing greater access to online media, which rapidly grew in number, including blogosphere – with over 10,000 bloggers in 2011.

After the elections Sargsyan also authorized opposition rallies to take place in Yerevan[23] and pledged to comply with the Council of Europe's demands for an end to the government's crackdown on the opposition.[24]

Civil society also grew considerably during Sargsyan's presidency, with the number of non-governmental organizations growing at a higher rate and with civic activists succeeding in raising public awareness and holding important campaigns in the sphere of human rights, environmental protection and social justice. However, according to Freedom House, public advocacy still had limited impact on public policy.[22]

Also

The start of Sargsyan's presidency coincided with the Great Recession. In 2009, Armenia's GDP contracted over 14%,[25] which according to the World Bank was the fifth worst in the world that year after the three Baltic states and Ukraine.[26] GDP growth subsequently stabilized at around 3% by 2013.[27] As of 2014, Armenia's GDP is below the pre-crisis levels. During his first term of presidency, the official poverty rate doubled and reached 32.4% in 2012.[28] According to official data, some 213,000 people have left Armenia from 2008 to 2013.[29] In 2012, Armenia was ranked 39th out of 179 economies according to the Index of Economic Freedom and ranked 19th freest among the 43 countries in the Europe region.[30]

In September 2013 and under Sargsyan's direction, Armenia announced its intentions of joining the Eurasian Economic Union with Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia.[31] The Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU or EEU) is an economic union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia, and came into force on 1 January 2015.[32] Treaties aiming for Armenia's accession to the Eurasian Economic Union was signed on 9 October 2014. Armenia's accession treaty came into force on 2 January 2015.[33] The Eurasian Economic Union has an integrated single market of 176 million people and a gross domestic product of over 4 trillion U.S. dollars (PPP).[34] The EEU introduces the free movement of goods, capital, services and people and provides for common transport, agriculture and energy policies, with provisions for a single currency and greater integration in the future.[35][36]

He also led Armenia through the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war, that ended with a Russian-brokered truce with Azerbaijan.

Your suspicions might not be off base.

Graham says ‘no limit’ of Palestinian deaths would make him question Israel by chakokat in WayOfTheBern

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Folks like Graham are the ones that should be arrested by the FBI.

Not kids protesting for peace at universities.

[Bolivia has more balls than the rest of the world, yes including Arab countries.] Bolivia becomes first country to sever ties with Israel over war with Hamas | Country’s leftwing government attributes decision to alleged war crimes and human rights abuses being committed in Gaza by therazorx in WayOfTheBern

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I give Arab nations no excuse.

"We will not normalize or will tear up agreements if you don't stop the genocide".

Not a single bullet needs to be fired by an Arab military.

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CC /u/penelopepnortney , he's back

[Bolivia has more balls than the rest of the world, yes including Arab countries.] Bolivia becomes first country to sever ties with Israel over war with Hamas | Country’s leftwing government attributes decision to alleged war crimes and human rights abuses being committed in Gaza by therazorx in WayOfTheBern

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Saudi is never going to fight Israel.

But it can explicitly say that if they don't stop the invasion, that they will never normalize, throw a wrench in the whole Abraham accords.

@ryangrim: The White House just compared “anti-Israel protesters” — the phrase used by the Fox News reporter in his question — to the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville. by therazorx in WayOfTheBern

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You're not wrong. (similar to narratives about anti-lockdown protests)

But think about it in terms of their perspective. At this point, it's beyond obvious that both groups are considered "undesirables".

It's exactly like how the post 9-11 shit went from affecting Muslims, to affecting RW'ers. We need to learn.