@MaxBlumenthal: "Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s position on Israel-Palestine is more extreme than that of the Biden White House or the AIPAC-controlled congressional Dems. As he pledges unequivocal support for the most openly fascistic, theocratic government in Israel's history..."

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

RFK Jr would be my ideal candidate if he wasn’t a Zionist. It’s so disappointing. He’s been so brave to take on pharma, the feds, or the military industrial complex, yet he won’t fight Israel.

[–]Centaurea 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Earlier this week, the Dems were carrying on about RFKJr being "anti-semitic". Now he's hard-core Zionist. 🤔 I'm so confused.

(Although I would tend to listen to what Max Blumenthal says, more than those corrupt Dem bozos.)

[–]MolecCodiciesCOVID-9/11 Vaccines Don’t Work 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Still the best candidate

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sad but it's the truth. Voting is for chumps

[–]sdl5 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not good enough - not by a metric fuckton of space between ok and WTAF HELL NO

[–]MolecCodiciesCOVID-9/11 Vaccines Don’t Work 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I would be very happy if he became president

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Saying he'll give Israel unconditional support was a stupid thing to do and an unforced error.

[–]sdl5 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But SAYING it voluntarily means.....

He deeply means it and it will be a cornerstone of his values and decisions made.

Imagine that openly being the benchmark our Executive office is run from, rather than the more careful and piecemeal methods currently used.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, true, and it definitely counts against him. We don't need any more Israel enablers, especially when they're blatantly engaging in amped up genocide before the world's eyes,

[–]Centaurea 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But SAYING it voluntarily means.....

He deeply means it

He's running for political office. People running for political office say all sorts of things they don't mean deeply, or at all.

[–]kingsmegLiberté, égalité, fraternité 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's called choosing your battles. He wouldn't necessarily hold that position if elected, but in order to gain any public awareness at all right now, he has to kiss AIPAC ass.

[–]Trouble1980 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

On the very slim chance he does get elected, AIPAC ain’t going away. Hell, I’d wager that their influence is even greater if he ever holds office. Look how they broke Ilhan Omar.

[–]Maniak🥃😾[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

And that's supposed to build trust with the anti-establishment people who are the most likely to be against AIPAC's bullshit?

He's playing to the shitlib base, rolling over like a standard democrat, and he's not getting their votes anyway.

Besides, being willing to kiss AIPAC's ass and to lie your own ass off in order to get a better PR coverage (which he still won't be getting) is a clear indication that he'd roll over for the establishment at the first pressure, as he's done here, repeatedly. Not a great foundation for trust either.

I'm not seeing any angle of how he's been handling this that doesn't make him look like a cunt, at best.

Him criticizing the funding of Ukraine while pledging unconditional support for Israel means that he has zero credibility. Siding with what Israel has been doing to Palestinians is just as bad as siding with Ukrainazis. Worse even, because they've been doing it for much longer and have stolen a lot more of US taxpayer money over the decades.

[–]kingsmegLiberté, égalité, fraternité 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The anti-establishment crowd was willing to vote for a grotesque game show host because he was the only one on the ballot who wasn't demonstrably a swamp creature. I'm pretty sure they'll vote for RFK even with his pro-Israel statements. If he's on the ballot.

His present stance is all about gate-keepers. He needs to keep getting on the TeeVee right now. He's dropping a lot of truth bombs, but there are true third rails for the people who guard the gates of US media, and the biggest of all is Israel/Palestine. The second he says anything that isn't 100% supportive of Israel, he will have 10,000 highly trained and motivated Hasbara trolls trying to cancel him, and they have pretty much complete control of the media in USA.

[–]Maniak🥃😾[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The anti-establishment crowd was willing to vote for a grotesque game show host because he was the only one on the ballot who wasn't demonstrably a swamp creature. I'm pretty sure they'll vote for RFK even with his pro-Israel statements.

Except that this was the general election and:

If he's on the ballot.

Of course he's not going to be on the ballot...

This is the democratic party primary. In what universe, and after two Bernie campaigns, can you even entertain the idea that RFK could ever possibly end up with the nomination?

The sole possible purpose of this campaign is to bring to the mainstream ideas that are being censored by the establishment. Things like standing up to big pharma and against the pandemic authoritarian measures, which he's great on. Things like standing against the support of Ukrainazis, which he doesn't seem to be bad at. Things like universal healthcare, addressing government corruption, ... oh and things like standing up to fucking AIPAC.

If he's rolling over and licking AIPAC's balls, using his campaign platform to repeat over and over again things that should be repellent to any sentient being, all because he wants a chance at being on the ballot in the general election and becoming president, then he's fucking delusional. And if he's fucking delusional, then it gives more credence to the hypothesis that he actually is a zionist through and through, which would make him somebody that nobody should be wanting as president.

 

As to the whole "he's just saying this now, but once president he won't do the bad things and will only do the good things", that's an even harder sell. Politicians do the exact opposite. Every. Single. Time. To various extents, sure, but still.

And again, he won't be president anyway so that whole point is moot. He's got no reason to do what he's doing unless he either believes what he's saying or is fucked-up in the head, neither of which is good.

 

Don't believe me when I say with 100% certainty that he won't be president? Let me requote you:

The anti-establishment crowd was willing to vote for a grotesque game show host because he was the only one on the ballot who wasn't demonstrably a swamp creature. I'm pretty sure they'll vote for RFK even with his pro-Israel statements.

So, that was the general. In the primary, those very same people were even more willing to vote for Bernie. Twice. Remember what happened, twice?

Noticed anything happening since then that would indicate any chance of the same thing not happening to RFK as well? Nope, actually it's the opposite.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

King, I love you, I respect you and I even get this position...

But come on, isn't this deja vu all over again?

Had to defend Bernie on similar Israel charges and he chickened out, Tulsi got this with the Biden endorsement, and RFK is Israel all the way.

sigh

The starkest realization is that this entire system is a sewer and he has this right along with other bad choices...

[–]kingsmegLiberté, égalité, fraternité 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I personally think he's running just to raise awareness of his pet causes, which at the moment include vaccine safety. Because if he were running to win, as a Democrat, he would have a plan for countering D primary cheating. Or perhaps he does have such a plan, and he's keeping it secret.

I really hope he isn't pulling a Bernie, running to get the youth energized for change, only to sheepdog them into the D death cult.

[–]Centaurea 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My big takeaway from this is that RFKJr seems to be more afraid of AIPAC than he is of the CIA. 🤔 That's very interesting.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And he STILL gets smeared...

[–]Maniak🥃😾[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s position on Israel-Palestine is more extreme than that of the Biden White House or the AIPAC-controlled congressional Dems. As he pledges unequivocal support for the most openly fascistic, theocratic government in Israel's history, he is being shepherded around by Likudnik operatives like the fake rabbi and Zionist race hustler Shmuley Boteach, as well as the genocidal crank Morton Klein. These figures have relied almost entirely on the fortune of the late Sheldon Adelson to survive as public figures.

RFK supporters seeking an alternative to the hollow, corporatized, pro-war duopoly that monopolizes national US politics must consider the shady characters surrounding the candidate and question whether a wing of one of the most powerful political lobbies in US history has paid for the candidate's Likudnik views, dumping dark money into Super PACs to propel a campaign that was launched as a frontal assault on the establishment.

If RFK can be turned to a champion of the largest recipient of US foreign aid, a high-tech apartheid colony that provides a testing ground for dystopian surveillance systems, which routinely assaults Syria, lobbies for a US-led regional war with Iran, and which undermines the speech rights of citizens across the West by branding any and all critics as antisemitic, pushing laws from the US to the EU to criminalize their political activities, what's to stop him from compromising any other antiwar or free speech principle he claims to uphold when a powerful lobby courts him?

A few other questions for RFK Jr. supporters and the candidate himself:

If RFK is, in fact, a sincere supporter of Israel's Likudnik-Kahanist government, where is the record of his ultra-Zionist activism before he launched his run for president?

Why is he actively avoiding publicly engaging with prominent media figures who criticize Israel but sympathize with other aspects of his campaign? (I know several on his press list who are being ignored).

And where is his campaign manager, Dennis Kucinich, who has been among the only elected Democrats to defend the rights of Palestinians on the national stage, doing so at a time when the issue was much more difficult to discuss than today?

I respect the challenge @RobertKennedyJr has presented to the war state on Ukraine, to the corporate media, and to Big Pharma, but the question of Israel-Palestine remains paramount.