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[–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I welcome their hatred.

[–]stickdog 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The DNC smear machine usually takes a few days to gear up. After his interview on Rogan, this was expected. Now be on the lookout for this talking point to be repeated throughout liberal media and twitter.

[–]Promyka5When in the course of human events... 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck your ounce of prevention, what we need to focus on is the pound of cure. Why put seatbelts in cars to prevent people from being paralyzed in car accidents when we can just make sure that we have enough resources to get paralyzed accident victims the wheelchairs they need? Besides, using such preventative measures erases paraplegics and devalues their lives, like, somehow. We need to show paraplegics that society does value them by minting as many new paraplegics as possible.

[–]CrazyjanecreepyjeffReality Monger 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Autism is a disability and it seems likely, based on studies I’ve seen and read that there are some epigentic triggers for it, acetaminophen, thimerisol and perhaps other environmental toxins.

It runs in my family and although I’m not sure a “cure” would be sought by us it is absolutely a disability that can be very severe for many people who very well might choose to be cured

[–]MolecCodiciesCOVID-9/11 Vaccines Don’t Work[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I no longer think genetics cause autism. It may appear that way sometimes but really what is being seen is multiple generations getting poisoned in a row. The rates of autism are escalating rapidly. It’s an epidemic. Genes don’t cause epidemics.

Autism is brain damage, there is no reason to want to have brain damage. I agree it probably can’t be cured but it can certainly be prevented.

[–]CrazyjanecreepyjeffReality Monger 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Autistic people have normal CT scans and MRIs. There is no damage present.

A really simplistic explanation is that Autistic people have more neural connections and in different areas of the brain than are typical.

All humans lose and gain neurons throughout their life. So the presence of more neurons is not considered damage.

[–]MolecCodiciesCOVID-9/11 Vaccines Don’t Work[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Mercury, aluminum and other neurotoxins enter the brain and stay there either permanently (aluminum) or for an extremely long time. This results in neuroinflammation and permanent damage. Autistic people have much higher levels of heavy metals in their brains found in autopsies. This cannot be detected by a CT scan.

Susceptibility to heavy metal poisoning could very well be heritable but this is not the same as autism being caused by genes.

[–]CrazyjanecreepyjeffReality Monger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Susceptibility to heavy metal poisoning could very well be heritable but this is not the same as autism being caused by genes.

Yes true. This could explain why autism tends to run in families.

But in addition, heavy metals can have epigenetic influence, so genes play a factor as well.

There’s a saying in the autistic community that “if you’ve met one autistic person, you’ve met one autistic person.” The causes of autism in each individual person are most likely varied and complex.

Someone like Einstein, who is a suspected autistic person, would have different triggers than someone born in the 2010’s. To say one single thing causes autism would be an oversimplification. Industrialization certainly plays an oversized role. But exposure to environmental toxins can be found in ancient humans.

Personally I think the inquiry should be less about what causes autism and more about reducing harm and exposure in modern life. We intuitively know injecting people with thimerisol and giving barely tested pharmaceuticals, and produce caked in herbicides to pregnant women is a bad idea. We need to take a more conservative approach to industrialized life instead of this forge ahead and maybe apologize later when profits are so small they aren’t worth fighting for anymore.

We should also be focusing on how to support autistic people more because it’s unlikely we can eliminate the disorder completely.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Someone like Einstein, who is a suspected autistic person....

This gets back to a question I had elsewhere in the thread:

How far back in History do you have to go to get to the first "suspected autistic person" in History?
(Not "ever," mind you, but oldest historical figure who is suspected of being autistic)

I always figured that Isaac Newton was a candidate, based on personality description.

[–]CrazyjanecreepyjeffReality Monger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It’s an interesting question and one I think about a lot. Personally I think autistic people have probably been around since humans have been around.

Autism has been referred to as a disorder of high intelligence. And if you think about the entirety of human progress and the high iq individuals it would take to spark certain aspects of that progress it seems likely to me some were probably autistic.

Autistic people with low support needs tend to really like core traits of their being despite the challenges those traits may cause them in modern society. For people with (what we formally referred to as) aspergers, the only reason they are considered neurodivergent is effectively because they are a minority. If society was full of people with aspergers, society would function just fine and probably on a higher level in many ways because society would be structured around different needs and be run by people with higher IQs and greater abilities to hone and focus on certain skillsets.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Autism has been referred to as a disorder of high intelligence. And if you think about the entirety of human progress and the high iq individuals it would take to spark certain aspects of that progress it seems likely to me some were probably autistic.

If that is true, then you should be able to find candidates far enough back to discredit the "autism is solely caused by modern environmental poisons" theory.

[–]CrazyjanecreepyjeffReality Monger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like I mentioned in my previous comment they have found ancient humans that were exposed to heavy metals. Environmental toxins are as old as time but the problem now is definitely exacerbated by the industrial revolution.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mercury, aluminum and other neurotoxins enter the brain and stay there either permanently (aluminum) or for an extremely long time.

There have been rumors that long-term runs of Doxycycline tend to reduce the amount of heavy metals in the human body. Some sort of "anti-chelation" effect. You might want to take a look into it.

[–]Maniak🥃😾 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

So the presence of more neurons is not considered damage.

But it does mean that they don't drink enough whiskey.

And whiskey is well-known to be the cure for everything, so there.

[–]CrazyjanecreepyjeffReality Monger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You joke but a lot of autistic people do self medicate because life can be extra painful. Suicide rates are higher among autistics too. My family has a history of substance abuse unfortunately.

The majority of neurons you have as an adult developed between the ages of 0-3. As you develop in early childhood neurons that don’t get used die off. In autistic people many of the neurons don’t die off. Which is why you can’t really diagnose the disorder until 3 years old or so when the differentiation becomes very obvious.

Signs can be there from birth though if you know what to look for.

Which is why the epigentic explanation is compelling to me.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I no longer think genetics cause autism. It may appear that way sometimes but really what is being seen is multiple generations getting poisoned in a row.

That would mean that before the time of the first "poisoning" (whenever that would have been) there had to have been NO autism on the planet.

So... how early is the first description of that which is currently known as "autism"? Not the first use of the specific term, but the earliest description of the symptoms?

You're going to have to go pre-Holmes, at least.....

Possibly even Newton, 1600s.

--- unrelated funny... I jumped to a search to verify the years that Isaac Newton was alive, and I found this snippet from the History Channel, right at the top of the results:

Isaac Newton - Facts, Biography & Laws
Sir Isaac Newton (1643-1927) was an English mathematician and physicist who developed influential theories.......

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

That's an impressive lifetime!

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Consider the source.

Main possibility: Aliens.

[–]MolecCodiciesCOVID-9/11 Vaccines Don’t Work[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Mercury and other neurotoxins have existed throughout history. In many eras the contamination was very bad and caused lots of problems. But never in history were we mandating injecting babies with mercury at birth, until around the same time autism rates began skyrocketing. (Approximately 1970s/80s) Rates have gone from one in 10,000 to one in 36 children over a few decades.

You cannot just diagnose a historical figure or fictional character (Sherlock Holmes?) with autism. That’s not how it works. And Sherlock Holmes isn’t portrayed as autistic. Autism doesn’t mean being a genius lol thats exactly the kind of marketing of autism the article is criticizing.

There has been a colossal effort to normalize autism. The kind of skyrocketing autism RFK talks about is not just “autism spectrum disorders”( although those have the same cause), he’s referring to real autism, a condition that is just as disabling as mental retardation. It is not something that doctors just “didnt notice” until the late 80s. It is something you notice.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is something you notice.

In that case, it would have been something noticed for the first time, at some point. When was that?

[–]MolecCodiciesCOVID-9/11 Vaccines Don’t Work[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I lack the omniscience required to know when the first time in human history someone noticed a brain damaged child. The potential to damage children’s brains has always existed.

You certainly don’t see such a disability that causes severely impaired ability to speak and communicate mentioned often though, until relatively very recent history. The rates in the last 5 decades have indisputably skyrocketed, going from very rare to alarmingly common.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

lol, I just had to see that for myself, and it's real

There's only one explanation, right?