Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

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[–]Dragonerne 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

Even if we don't agree on everything, you guys are doing good work.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

Even if we don't agree on everything, you guys are doing good work.

Agreement is not a goal; Civil engagement is.
Unity is not a goal; Tolerance of others is.
Conformity is not a goal; Enlightened debate is.

In glancing around Saidit, I have seen a lot of what WayoftheBern was trying to do inside of Reddit.

Trying to be Saidit, inside of Reddit, before there even was a Saidit, presented some interesting problems.

That led to interesting solutions.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

I like your quote, however tolerance is not a virtue, it is a weakness.

Trying to be Saidit, inside of Reddit, before there even was a Saidit, presented some interesting problems.

I see

[–]tomatopotato★ Free Assange ★ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I believe tolerance of misinformation, along with the patience and effort to work out what's real to you and what's not, and the willingness to trust your neighbor - not government - to do the same, is a strength.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Would you call conversion therapy tolerance of gays?

Edit: I like your username

[–]tomatopotato★ Free Assange ★ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Hmm, gotta be honest, I'm not particularly informed regarding conversion therapy. If I had to say, it feels like the opposite of tolerance.

Edit: thanks! :D

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The reason I asked is, because your sentiment of misinformation can be applied to conversion therapy

I believe tolerance of [gays], along with the patience and effort to work out what's real to you and what's not (conversion therapy) is a strength

[–]tomatopotato★ Free Assange ★ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you equating gay (a state of being) with misinformation (a state of truth/untruth)?

[–]FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

however tolerance is not a virtue, it is a weakness.

Try running anything mechanical without it.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

tolerance is not a virtue, it is a weakness.

Would that then make intolerance a strength?

[–]FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Only if you're intolerant of the tolerant.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

It depends. Intolerance of pornography is a strength. Intolerance of usury is a strength. Intolerance of lactose is a weakness.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

and intolerance of you.....?

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

If you're jewish, then yes, it would be a strength.

In Christian ethos, tolerance is the opposite of love. Tolerance is what Satan preaches. Just eat the apple, what could go wrong?
If you love someone, truly love someone, do you tolerate them going down a path of drug abuse? No, right? That's not love. That's apathy.

A Christians love is tough. We wont sit idly by while those we care about go down a life destroying road. Do you tolerate pedophilia in your community? I hope not.

[–]FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

do you tolerate them going down a path of drug abuse? No, right?

Depends on whether or not the sex is an improvement.

[–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Tolerance is what Satan preaches.

Yet Christianity has many examples showing how their intolerance has lead to mass suffering. Very little love emanates from the Christian religion. A bitter and hateful people lashing at every perceived slight. Your "love" is for yourself and your identity politics. Your "love" is for the monsters that adopt that identity to use you as a shield to keep them from harm.

Do you tolerate pedophilia in your community? I hope not.

Better take a buzz saw to your religion then. It's rotting from the inside out with child rapists and sexual offenders. Your "love" is the evil your religion was trying to warn you about.

[–]therazorx👹🧹🥇 The road to truth is often messy. 👹📜🕵️🎖️ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Tolerance is what Satan preaches"

Wut?

Was it Satan hanging out with a prostitute and lepers or was it Jesus? Because everyone else around then were pretty intolerant of those.

These galaxy brains I swear....

Furthermore, from the Bible;

Judge not, that you be not judged (Matthew 7:1)

Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned (Luck 6:37)

Don't make judgements about anyone ahead of time -- before the Lord returns. For He will bring our darkest secrets to light and will reveal our private motives (1 Corinthians 4:5 NLT)

Who are you to judge another's servant?... Or why do you show contempt for your brother? for we shall all stand before the judgement seat of Christ (Romans 14:4,10)

And John 8:1-11

8 Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2 but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. 3 As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.

4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”

6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.

9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”

11 “No, Lord,” she said.

And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”

I love how these types are always ignorant of their own religion.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Was it Satan hanging out with a prostitute and lepers or was it Jesus? Because everyone else around then were pretty intolerant of those.

Don't forget the tax collectors...
I mean, hanging out with prostitutes on their days off is cool, and he could heal lepers, but tax collectors???

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Very little love emanates from what some sects of Christianity have turned into, for sure.

The contradiction in his opinion should be obvious: according to their own logic, there would be no Christianity without the Jews murdering Jesus. If anything, Christians should be thanking the Jews.

One way to look at Christianity is that it's the world's first proletarian religion. The Roman patricians were the ones loaning money to people at usurious interest rates, and they were the cause of the suffering in the known world at the time.

Unfortunately, the Monarchs of Europe had to figure out a way to get around the prohibition against usury, so they made the Jews do it.

I think that the actual reason these people are obsessed with the Jews is that without Christianity, they would still get to be pagans, freely engaging in the usury, orgies, and child molestation that the Church officially condemns.

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Tolerance is what Satan preaches. Just eat the apple, what could go wrong?

I recently read The Dumas Club (1993) by Arturo Pérez-Reverte. There's a character in the novel who has an interesting opinion about Satan. She claims that in the great war, Satan was fighting against God for man's freedom of thought. But since History is written by the victorious side, Satan has been made to look indescribably evil. I've heard similar things said about Richard III.

Terrific novel. It was adapted into Roman Polanski's The Ninth Gate (1999), also excellent. Stars Johnny Depp, with an excellent performance by Frank Langella.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I must admit that I have a thing for such alternative theories. I have read similar things about the gnostics. It's always interesting to speculate

My current position is the following. If you watch porn, it will start out as pleasure, which is good, but over time short-term pleasure becomes addiction, and addiction is the loss of freedom. You suddenly lose control. You may decide that you no longer want to watch porn, but you will be unable to comply with your wants, because your fleshly desires become too hard to resist, because your will power is small and you've fallen to the addiction of short-term pleasure.

This holds for any vice. Jealousy, hate, pride, and so on. They will give you short term pleasure but long term consequences and loss of discipline and loss of control.

If you are no longer in control of your actions, but have become a slave to your desires, then you are no longer free, but have been placed in hell on earth. Unable to escape.

On the other end, you have discipline, hard work, long term achievement, and these give you freedom, because you are in control of your actions. The more you resist your desires, the stronger your will becomes and the more freedom you have to do what you want.

This is Christian ethos as far as I understand it. I personally subscribe to these beliefs.

[–]FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you watch porn, it will start out as pleasure, which is good, but over time short-term pleasure becomes addiction, and addiction is the loss of freedom. You suddenly lose control. You may decide that you no longer want to watch porn, but you will be unable to comply with your wants, because your fleshly desires become too hard to resist, because your will power is small and you've fallen to the addiction of short-term pleasure.

"We don't see things as they are; We see things as we are." ~ Anais Nin

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You suddenly lose control.

I assume that you are using the word "you" to speak for yourself. There are far more people who can expose themselves to potentially addictive media or substances without becoming addicted. For example, alcohol. It can be extremely addictive to alcoholics, but non-alcoholics can drink in moderation without becoming addicted. Now, there are some extremely addictive drugs, like heroin. But pornography is not heroin, with chemically-induced physical withdrawal symptoms.

If you can't control yourself, then by all means stay away from media and substances that endanger you. But there's no reason to cancel the First Amendment for everybody else.

JMO/YMMV

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Do you tolerate pedophilia in your community?

I haven't seen tolerance for pedophilia at WotB.

I haven't seen much tolerance for anti-semitism either.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I haven't seen tolerance for pedophilia at WotB.

That's good.

I haven't seen much tolerance for anti-semitism either.

In the talmud, it is written that jews can have sex with 3 year olds.
Jewish rabbis also suck the blood from the baby penis after circumcision, which is a disgusting pedophile practice. That should absolutely not be tolerated.
Facts are not anti semitic

[–]kingsmegLiberté, égalité, fraternité 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In the talmud, it is written that jews can have sex with 3 year olds.

There's a lot of stupid shit in a lot of stupid books, old and new, including the bible (all of it). The problem is with the feeble-minded who take those stupid things as gospel and try to live by them.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Regardless I'm going to pray for him, and I ask all believers to do the same

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

A Christians love is tough. We won't sit idly by while those we care about go down a life-destroying road.

Sounds like the kind of thing they said in the Middle Ages before burning people at the stake.

Blimey, I didn't expect the...

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    [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I first saw Monty Python's "Spanish Inquisition" on a black&white television (yep, I'm old). I didn't find out until much later that Cardinal Fang is wearing red underwear :-)

    [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    If you're jewish, then yes, it would be a strength.

    That sounds like quite a dodge, there....

    [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Why? As I said, it depends.