What the Russians did

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[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Okay, so you decided that I was gaslighting based on not getting into scientific arguments about the speed of decay.

I think if that's the rule for gaslighting, then you're probably five times guilty of it because you're ignoring such very important and demonstrative evidence for Russia's true nature - Yahidne, Gulagu dot net, the mass graves on gmaps.

Okay so let's talk decomposition. I can't believe this is literally the place where you have dragged conversation to. What it is about the speed of decay which you think proves that Bucha was a false flag.

And this had better be more than a fucking unsourced statement from a dipshit rashist retard fake news blog. Lay out your case asshole

Their own comments right now are pro-genocide and recognise what happened.

You're literally expressing a view contrary to general ruzzian opinion. They know what's happening and they revel in it.

https://pikabu.ru/community/politika

[–]InumaGaming Socialist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Okay, so you decided that I was gaslighting based on not getting into scientific arguments about the speed of decay.

Right along with your Gish Gallup of lies about part of the issues that you failed to acknowledge how Bucha was committed by Ukraine or any other issues with your arguments.

You also claimed that the bodies were dead for three weeks according to those sources while ignoring the lack of bloat or decay or anything else as shown by the link you ignored.

I don't know what a Russian opinion would be since I'm an American seeing that America funds Ukraine and helped in the 2014 coup which is what I view as a waste of resources when Americans are suffering such as Ohio.

So you trying to attack other's characters while you maintain your ignorance on how science works is your own issue.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Right along with your Gish Gallup of lies

They're not lies.

And it's not Gish gallop. You're referring to a top-level post I made which was directly responsive to OP and on-topic. Within my on-topic, top level reply, I listed a number of points of evidence.

So it's not Gish gallop. And you haven't established that any of them were lies. Which were lies? Is the one about the mass graves on gmaps a lie?

You also claimed that the bodies were dead for three weeks

Could you please point to it? I said no such thing, liar. You're creating your own fake reality now.

2014 coup

It wasn't a coup. There's literally zero evidence of a coup, yet millions of Ukrainians who can attest their participation in a revolution of dignity.

So you trying to attack other's characters

Okay asshole, so let's examine your thesis.

On my side, I gave first hand evidence and direct links to satellite footage than anyone can click on and learn for themselves.

You, the asshole, interjected - it's fine to interject, when you have real points.

But you don't have any real points. You cited an unsourced statement in a fake news blog as your proof. You are interjecting with absolutely nothing but a desire to be a pest. That's why I'm calling you a asshole. You don't have anything to add, you just want to be a pest.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

They're not lies.

And it's not Gish gallop.

You failed to acknowledge anything outside your own pedantry.

The failure is on you.

Could you please point to it?

Here and here

You do more to attack others than their arguments. Instead of engage with what's written down, you yell about other things.

It wasn't a coup.

Video by Oliver Stone

Senator John McCain in Ukraine

Anatomy of a coup: How CIA front laid foundations for Ukraine War

Fast forward to September 2013, and Carl Gershman, NED chief from its launch until summer 2021, authored an op-ed for The Washington Post, outlining how his organization was hard at work wresting countries in Russia’s near abroad–the constellation of former Soviet republics and Warsaw Pact states–away from Moscow’s orbit.

Along the way, he described Ukraine as “the biggest prize” in the region, suggesting Kiev joining Europe would “accelerate the demise” of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Six months later, Ukraine’s elected president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted in a violent coup.

On my side, I gave first hand evidence and direct links to satellite footage than anyone can click on and learn for themselves.

You rejected the person for Bucha which is linked above and ignored anything outside what you posted.

Character attacks merely expose when you have no argument, you resort to name calling.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

You also claimed that the bodies were dead for three weeks

Could you please point to it?

Here and here

Whoops those are actually your posts. I have never claimed anything about three weeks, I have no idea what you're talking about, it seems you're letting your rashist delusions influence your experience of reality.

Video by Oliver Stone

His rashist opinion is not evidence

John McCain

This isn't evidence. It's a video of a public address. Did you experience this as evidence?

Anatomy of a coup: How CIA front laid foundations for Ukraine War

The only cited evidence here

  1. The USA has a pro democracy group who were in favour of democracy in Ukraine.

Yeah so what? That's not evidence of a coup.

There's literally zero evidence of a coup and millions of Ukrainians who can attest their participation in a revolution of dignity.

You thought that a video of McCain was proof. That's how you experienced it.

It's because you live in some retard world where everything is proof of whatever you decide it to be.

Another example of your retardedness is how the mass graves on gmaps are totally absent from your arguments. They just don't exist in your fantasy world.

You still haven't explained your point about Bucha. People ought to ask, why does he keep insisting he has a point about decomposition, but refuses to actually say his point? Why does he keep doing that? Wouldn't you have already said, if it was a good and true point, "the reason Kyiv must have done Bucha is because XY and Z and my evidence for X is here, me evidence for Y is here etc"

I don't know why you're unable to make this point, probably because it serves better as "something I might do in a minute" than actually translated on paper.

So what about the mass graves on Google? What about the YouTube video I linked you to, of torture routinely happening in ruzzia? Was I gaslighting you by providing actual evidence? When you live in this crazy fantasy rashist world, do you experience the provision of true evidence as gaslighting?

[–]InumaGaming Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I have never claimed anything about three weeks, I have no idea what you're talking about, it seems you're letting your rashist delusions influence your experience of reality.

Then you missed what was IN those posts obstinately.

His rashist opinion is not evidence

??? I don't know what rashist is?

Did you experience this as evidence?

His appearance in Kiev as a provocation and a supporter of the coup that was funded by America while you ignore the story is telling.

The only cited evidence here

No, you ignored the video and how a US Senator was supporting a coup supported by America.

You still haven't explained your point about Bucha.

I did in the posts you ignored.

People ought to ask, why does he keep insisting he has a point about decomposition, but refuses to actually say his point?

Point was that people claimed the people killed were murdered for three weeks while in the post you ignored, that can't be due to the skeletonization process that did not take place. It's obvious you're lying for Ukrain.

So what about the mass graves on Google?

There's far more evidence Ukraine would murder and kill due to what they did to the people in Mariupol and other places including murdering what they called Russian collaborators.

But of course, you ignored all that for character attacks and ignorant arguments based on no evidence except your insistence.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Then you missed what was IN those posts obstinately.

Shall we read them again? Would it help if we take this step by step?

In this post you showed a timeline, which evidenced Ukrainian forces moving into the town after ruzzia left.

https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/at4i/what_the_russians_did/127sc

In this post you linked to a forensic review of how decomposition happens.

https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/at4i/what_the_russians_did/127u6

In neither post so far, have you actually laid out any argument.

I invited you to explain what you're trying to say here

https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/at4i/what_the_russians_did/1285x

In your answer, you told me that "[I] also claimed that the bodies were dead for three weeks" which confused me because I hadn't said any such thing, actually it was you who suggested a timeline.

https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/at4i/what_the_russians_did/1286o

So now we're here and you're insisting that I just haven't considered the content of your argument. Dude, you haven't actually made one.

When you're ready, put it like this:

I u/Inuma assert that X, Y and Z happened about bodies. Here is a timeline that shows X and Y. Here is a forensic report that proves Z about X

You haven't actually made any points yet, you're just being a pest, an asshole.

don't know what rashist is?

Then go fuck yourself

His appearance in Kiev as a provocation and a supporter of the coup

His presence is proven of a coup and the evidence that a coup happened is his presence?

A coup didn't happen. He was just there for normal and sensible reasons which you could look into if you were really interested

.> far more evidence Ukraine would murder and kill

"More" is a relative term - more than what? What evidence? What the fuck are you talking about?

How the fuck do you experience Oliver Stone giving his pro-putin opinion, as evidence of a coup? Can we cite my feelings as proofs, or only his?

How the fuck did you experience a Senator doing a 2013 public appearance as proof of a 2014 coup?

Why did you cite an unsourced statement in a fake news blog? Did I cite any, when giving my proof to you? No, only you do that, because you're a fucking moron.

Doesn't your brain say "hey hold on here, this isn't proof at all"

Are you a fucking simpleton as well as a pest, dipshit?

[–]InumaGaming Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

In neither post so far, have you actually laid out any argument.

The Bucha timeline shows that what was claimed by you didn't happen, ie Russians killing in Bucha, which you've yet to respond to.

The timeline of death also shows that you have nothing to argue since the deaths were more recent.

You've failed to respond to the criticism.

Then go fuck yourself

Because you make up words?

His presence is proven of a coup and the evidence that a coup happened is his presence?

The funding and the article you failed to read prove that.

How the fuck do you experience Oliver Stone giving his pro-putin opinion, as evidence of a coup?

The video which you ignored where he points out what the people were doing as Nazi supporters.

You'd know if you actually watched it.

How the fuck did you experience a Senator doing a 2013 public appearance as proof of a 2014 coup?

Again, you would know if you actually read the article.

I guess when you make up words and only have insults it merely shows immature and irrational thinking instead of an ability to read and comprehend.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The Bucha timeline

If the orcs killed everyone in Bucha at the exact same time then the rate of biological decay would be uniform.

But I never claimed that. Did someone in this thread claim that? I think your delusions are taking over again.

Because you make up words?

Is that how your delusions manifest: when you come across an unfamiliar word, you assume the speaker invented it? Is that how fucked up your brain is?

where he points out what the people were doing as Nazi supporters

Yeah he's a dipshit rashist just like you. Sharing his opinion. You forgot to answer - am I allowed to cite my own opinion as evidence, or does only he get that honor? You fucking moron. The opinions spoken by a Z tard are not citable as evidence.

if you actually read the article.

I read it thoroughly and already shared my feedback with you.

Now let's return to the on-topic conversation. What ruzzia did.

They filled mass graves in multiple cities. They are ethnically cleansing whole regions of Ukraine. Their war crimes include the literal qanon nightmare of child abductions. It's happening because their own society is a violent gang, and they don't understand how to live differently, with tarmacked roads and coffee machines and Nutella and toilets. The Golden Horde didn't ask for those things during the tartar yoke period and so ruzzia doesn't know how to make them

That's what they're doing. And all your unsourced articles, the opinion of morons, and your dodging the topics of real hard evidence - is not going to change the facts

[–]InumaGaming Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If the orcs killed everyone in Bucha at the exact same time then the rate of biological decay would be uniform.

See? Nothing but ignorance and bigotry from you.

The point was that Ukrainians claimed they were killed and the bodies left for three weeks when the mayor never stated anything like that in his address on May 31st, the Safari group came in around the 2nd, and the dead bodies were pointed out by the 3rd.

You also ignore the bloat and decay of the three weeks since it takes a body a full month and 14 days to decay.

So unscientific attacks and ignorance on the science. Moving on.

Yeah he's a dipshit rashist just like you

What's a rashist? The word would be R-A-C-I-S-T. That has a meaning. Your made up words make you sound immature.

I read it thoroughly and already shared my feedback with you.

That's nice. But made up words and faux anger don't a feedback make.

They filled mass graves in multiple cities.

The only thing you have are claims by Ukrainians that lied about the Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island, and other lies you believe. I have no reason to believe what you claim when you have failed to substantiate your claims then make character attacks to cover up your ignorance.