PoliceRaw and Surveillance Video Show Atlanta Police Fatally Shoot Man Armed with Officer's Taser

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[–]HopeThatHalps 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (22 children)

I know this is the latest ACAB incident to cause unrelated buildings to be lit on fire, but I don't feel super bad for the victim this time. He was fighting them for, AFAIK, no apparent reason, and if I were a cop I would use deadly force if a perp was trying to incapacitate me. After tazing the cop, the cop could have potentially been defenseless, and his life would be in danger in turn. The black guy shouldn't have resisted at all, but since he decided to anyway, he should have just kept running.

[–]DoctorsHateHim[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

Well what's sad is this stuff with the police going on in the US has totally hamstrung cops who are out there just doing their job. Now when they're being shot at and fire back, you're going to have idiots whining about police brutality. BLM 3 years ago were all over them for shooting a guy who was shooting at them. When they showed them the video of the guy shooting at them, BLM literally said "you still shouldn't have shot him," meaning it's okay for criminals to shoot at the police but they cannot shoot back, that would be racist.

There are a lot of bad cops out there as we have seen the last two weeks but there are mostly good cops and it really sucks to be them right now.

[–]kissfan7 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

40% of cops beat their wives, so the segment of cops that are good isn’t a huge majority.

[–]HopeThatHalps 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not surprising. Violent authoritarians are drawn to the job. The onus is on us as a society to screen them out, but if we did, we'd have to pay the smaller pool of candidates more money. We accept the status quo so that we can afford the latest iPhone 11 Pro. But hey, exercise some common sense and you won't get a beat down.

[–]Lilbabi 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

And despite making up only 13 percent of the population, blacks commit over 50 percent of the violent crime. That’s why I’m racist, most blacks just aren’t good people, no way to sugar coat it. These violent criminals deserve to get brained by a cops boot

[–]kissfan7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Excellent derailing!

10/10

(Also, it’s not the percentage of violent crime overall, but the percentage of murderers who got caught. Try working on your reading skills next time, Führer.)

[–]Lilbabi 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Damn I didn’t know that. So you’re telling me that there are more that aren’t caught? Fuck... number might be as high as 80% for all we know. So sad

[–]DoctorsHateHim[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

40% huh? And you must have a link that shows us this proof. Surely you didn't just pull that number out of your ass.

[–]kissfan7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

http://womenandpolicing.com/violenceFS.asp

[–]MikeOochizitchy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

So what’s the statistics for false reporting of domestic abuse by women?

[–]kissfan7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a survey, not based on women actually reporting DV to the authorities.

And some DV victims are in denial even to themselves. That should make up for any victim falsely claiming (for some reason) to be a victim.

[–]fishbox 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Same as everywhere else I imagine.

[–]HopeThatHalps 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They say whites are not doing enough to apologize for other whites. That's a big burden to place upon an entire class of complexion. But I don't think think police, and specifically police unions, are doing enough to self regulate. "A few bad apples" is tacit, "[we're OK with] a few bad apples". Besides, whites burned down a Wendy's, I think we're holding up our end of the bargain. I expect more from the ranks.

[–]DoctorsHateHim[S] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

Why do "whites" have to apologize for other "whites?" That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I've never done anything to anyone, have treated everyone the same and am not going to apologize for somethign I have zero do with, nor should anyone else. That's literally the same as assuming all blacks steal and commit crimes. Lumping everyone from one race into something, it's just dumb.

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Im not saying that, but people like this are https://www.thedailyworld.com/opinion/dahleen-glanton-white-america-if-you-want-to-know-whos-responsible-for-racism-look-in-the-mirror/

It's not so much that you're obligated to cover for other white people, its just that if you say and do nothing, it comes across as though you don't give a shit. I for one, don't want my true feeling about it, that I do give a shit, to go misinterpreted.

[–]DoctorsHateHim[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I do give a shit however I'm not going to protest or riot or block highways. There's plenty of people doing that.

Because someone isn't out there protesting doesn't mean they don't care. It's careless for people to make that claim.

There's no difference in that than saying "if you don't give money to BLM than you're a racist."

People can be on the right side and not go out and physically do anything or give money or do anything. I personally have never done anything to hurt anyone. I think being a good person in general is good. I don't need to block people from going to work on a highway to show my support.

[–]thenotoriousdougie 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At what point does it become OK to actually not give a shit about the endless train wreck that is the "black community"?? 60 frigging years of coddling, whites apologizing for their atrocious behavior, the percentages of crimes being committed by them going up and up and up year after year. They're doing this shit to themselves and it's on the back of whites to apologize for it?? Nah, not me.

[–]LastKnightShade 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I myself am having a hard time feeling sympathy. I don't think the guy deserved to die, but the problem is he resisted arrest and tried to take off. As much of a pain as it is, he could have just complied with the cops, and he'd likely still be alive if he did.

[–]HopeThatHalps 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah if you're black, of course there's some % that the cop will choke you to death just because, but it's a lot higher if you willfully resist. As an WPD enthusiast, I speak from a place of knowledge.

[–]kissfan7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

Police often claim tasers are non-lethal. If that's that case, wouldn't this shooting be disproportionate?

[–]HopeThatHalps 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

it's a lot to ask of cops that they make proportionate tit for tats in the midst of a struggle. If someone puts up that much of a fight they're liable to get shot down. Best course of action is to not put up that sort of fight. And if you feel you have to, because the cops are in the wrong, just know that you might die right there.

[–]kissfan7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's not a lot to ask, since other countries have WAY lower rates of deaths by cop.

[–]HopeThatHalps 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Other countries don't have the same mix of 2A and systemic social problems. But mostly, most other developed nations are not as politically conservative.

[–]kissfan7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good points.

[–]Lilbabi 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The DA rules that tasers are deadly weapons when he chose to charge the police officers that used tasers on those college students. Although now he’s trying to say it’s not a deadly weapon. Obviously all bullshit. But if you don’t want tasers to be considered deadly weapons then I hope you’ll campaign for the early release of those officers who used them on college students? No? Didn’t think so

[–]kissfan7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You’re reading a lot that isn’t there, my dude.

[–]theotherkyle 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

Lethal force wasn't the first option the cops employed... nor was it the second, third, or fourth... they didn't employ lethal force until this guy, armed with a stolen weapon, was attempting to harm the cops, and could have potentially jumped into one of the cars there with innocent civilians.

He'd already overpowered two of them... if he managed to incapacitate one of them and steal a firearm, what then?

Bravo to the cop, and fuck the corrupt system that fired him.

[–]kissfan7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Is a taser considered a firearm?

As bad as drunk driving is, it's a non-violent offense. And again, I'm just pointing out that you can't claim a taser is non-lethal and then claim you're defending your life by shooting someone with a taser.

[–]theotherkyle 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

So, a couple things you need to be aware of:

  1. This incident took place in Fulton County, GA - the DA of Fulton County is Paul Howard
  2. Mr. Howard brought charges against some officers involved with a traffic stop earlier this month with Aggravated Assault (a felony) for the use of a taser during the removal of the occupants from the vehicle
  3. The guidelines that Mr. Howard used, in line with Georgia state law, describe the explicit conditions that must be met before someone can be charged with Aggravated Assault - the condition cited was #2, "[an assault committed] with a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation"
  4. TL:DR, the DA for Fulton County has stated that a taser is a deadly weapon
  5. Mr. Howard is an asshat that is catering to BLM, and in this case is stating that a taser is a non-lethal weapon (note again that the charges he has issued in the past assert that a taser IS a lethal weapon)
  6. The Use of Force Continuum is a tier or set of escalation instructions that state how much force a police officer should be using; it states that a police officer should be one tier higher than the suspect you're in conflict with... whether you believe a taser to be lethal or non-lethal, again, the officers waited until Mr. Brooks turned and fired the taser at police before they deployed their service pistols

The cops did everything by the book, as instructed... and one of them got fired for it, and might now be facing criminal charges... for doing the very things they were instructed to do, as they were instructed to do them.

This is not fair to the police, and if we keep treating our police officers like this, they're all going to quit, nobody's going to want the job, and criminals will be free to do whatever the fuck they want.

Oh, and by the way... when that happens? I hope you live in some liberal utopia that's banned the ownership of firearms, so you've got nothing to defend yourself with.

[–]kissfan7 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

the DA for Fulton County has stated that a taser is a deadly weapon

He did not say that, at least not in the quote you provide.

The part of the law you cited says an aggravated assault occurs when a perp uses "a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation".

Emphasis added.

I hope you live in some liberal utopia that's banned the ownership of firearms, so you've got nothing to defend yourself with.

Classy.

At least try to have adult conversations without wishing death on the other party.

[–]theotherkyle 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Don't believe me? Listen to his own words yourself.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jcupapplet/status/1273094005904084993

And I didn't wish death on anyone... I'm just hoping you're around to share in the misery that the policies you and people like you are inflicting on innocent people.

[–]kissfan7 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That’s better.

The DA is using a double standard, as are any cops or cop defenders who say tasers aren’t lethal.

What policies are you talking about?

[–]Unoriginal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Assaulting an officer during a routine arrest is a violent offense. The entire exchange was calm up until they started to cuff him and dude bucked. He wrestled, punched an officer in the face, stole a taser and ran off. His drunk driving played no part in the outcome.

As far as tasers being considered lethal or not, it's my understanding that Georgia law considers them to be deadly. Also, the DA who charged the officer in this case claimed that tasers were not considered lethal in this instance. However, just a few weeks ago, the same DA claimed that tasers were lethal when a cop pointed one at a college student.

[–]fuckspez 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

if cops are not gonna shoot those who run, every arrest from now on will turn into a wrestling match

[–]kissfan7 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Shooting someone to death just because they're running is second degree murder.

[–]SubSaharanBeast 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Once was a time when “Halt, or I’ll shoot!” was a thing.

[–]kissfan7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just because something was a thing doesn't make it right, especially for non-violent offenses.

[–]MikeOochizitchy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Now throw in a taser being shot at a cop with a firearm. Dude could’ve easily grabbed that pistol. I wouldn’t want to take that chance.

[–]kissfan7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Could've grabbed the pistol. Could've done a lot of things.

But he didn't. He only had a taser which, according to police, is non-lethal.

I'm just saying that either the police need to admit that tasers can indeed be lethal, or that what the cop did was hugely disproportionate.

[–]chroma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not about the lethality of tasers. If the cop is incapacitated by the taser, the criminal can steal his gun and endanger others. This is also why cops can be justified in shooting people who come at them with fists.

[–]EthylAcetate 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude, the guy was resisting arrest and running away from police with a stolen weapon in his hands. He asked for it.

[–]Frank_west 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Cops, as well as US citizens in general, are not allowed to shoot a retreating individual even if they had demonstrated past agression/assault. The question here, I think, is whether the man's attempt to fire the taser at the cop justified the shooting. Also in question is whether the cop could reasonably determine if the weapon aimed at him was a taser or a gun.

[–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Cops are allowed to shoot you in the back, they get away with killing people sleeping at home for fucks sake.

[–]Frank_west 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And when they're going to skoo

[–]Frank_west 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think a police officer is expected to take a taser. Otherwise, it would be the ultimate tool to use while resisting them.

[–]kissfan7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm just saying if you're gonna claim that tasers are non-lethal (in spite of the people who die because of them), then people are going to think using a gun is an overreaction.

[–]thenotoriousdougie 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess he could have tazed him. Oh, wait, the asshole took his tazer and fired at him with it.

[–]Lemmeticklethatpp 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Op gets tased, cop falls down, criminal grabs cops gun, pow pow cop dead and criminal has gun

[–]TealKitten 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

bruh this woman has her baby with her to watch a shootout what the fuck

[–]MrBawwws 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

he had kids too, bruh. bruh did you know he had kids bruh bruh XD

[–]MikeOochizitchy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Now they ain’t got a dad. Perfectly in line with the status quo lmfao

[–]MrBawwws 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holy Hades XD I actually meant he was in prison for 7 years for beating them but that's something to ponder!

[–]MrBawwws 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I love cameras so much. I love how even more crime takes place (property destruction later) in exposing more criminals. It's a shame they weren't shot too. Nobody wants them. Oh, you want them? Didn't think so. Safety go click boom brrrrrrr

[–]YarkiK 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Another good father of three and one step kid, dead. What's MADD's position on this topic, another drunk driver was removed from behind a wheel?

[–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do not know what cops expect when they pullout tasers that close. If I was I black guy I would never trust those wannabe SS with anything besides a squirt gun.

[–]thenotoriousdougie 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why tf are there any white cops in atlanta anyway?