Trump Fired Old Pentagon Adviser Days Ago - New Pentagon Top Adviser Wants US Troops Out Of Syria "Immediately"

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[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Part 1

With Biden, I expect him to start a large-scale international war within 9 months of becoming president.

See, this is what I don't understand. Trump appointed many warhawk neocons and then pretended to fire them. There are also several Bush era neocons that allegedly despise Trump such as Robert Kagan and William Kristol, both murderous war-criminals, but for the most part, neocons and Likudniks who orchestrated the Yinon Global War on Terror facade love Trump.

Chabadnik Rabbi Zakheim, the mastermind behind 9/11, also loves Trump as does many other neocons.

/u/earendil stated:

I don't think you'd be a member of their planning committee. You can't lead a horse off a cliff without some mind games. You can't control a people without some mind games. If Trump weren't a puppet, he would've played his card differently. He would've poured forth his entire effort into convincing the public that the Fed. Reserve, the CIA, and the DoD needed to be investigated, along with BOTH political parties. Honestly, it takes more mental gymnastic to believe that Trump isn't compromised vs. him being a globalist puppet along with Biden.

But let's think about the bigger picture. Firstly, we know that a large portion of the neocons have rebranded as faux populists and constitutionalists, if you can believe that.

Also, neoconservative Zionist Eli Lake told us that Trump is following the progressive Zionist anti-War strategy of Labor Zionist Chomsky.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-09-08/trump-channels-noam-chomsky-on-u-s-aggression

The neocons are re-branding. Chomsky, of course, brought up in a militant Zionist family, claims that Israel is controlled entirely by the US and that 9/11 truth and who killed JFK is unimportant. Chomsky of course, told his followers to vote for the Zionist Biden whose children married into Zionist families. So, keep all that in mind too!

And we must take into consideration the ZioCons perception. They know that more and more people are becoming aware of their deceptions; so they must play mind games to cloak their aspirations. One such way would be to role-play populists and constitutionalists; ONLY, beating the war drums when, say, a false flag blamed on Iran occurs.

What a time to be living. When the Iraq war propagandists and 9/11 perps are now re-branding, for the time being, and probably in neology only, under the anti-War, pro-Constitutional 'veterans' of truth and justice slogan!

We know too, that Trump appointed Archneocon who was in Charge of Iran Policy.

Since his arrival in the White House, President Trump has effectively placed U.S. policymaking for the Middle East in the hands of neocons and avowed Zionists with ties to Israel..."

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

We get that you don't understand it, Jesus.

The reason you don't, is you insist on labelling everything you see with a very limited set of labels, so then when things don't go as you expect, you've got no idea what went wrong, and have to invent conspiracy.

Trump started no new wars because he thinks it is a bad idea.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Reductio ad absurdums. Provide some evidence. You cannot deny that Trump is friends and pardoned absolute criminals invovled in 9/11. For that reason alone, he is an ungodly anti-Christ who mocks God often.

Trump started no new wars because he thinks it is a bad idea.

Trump increased Drone bombing in soverign nations, killed more innocent people than Obama in two terms, took away the Obama legislation making collateral deaths publically available becasue he is a chickenhawk ZioCon, as was Obama; he also gave the CIA the ability to drone bomb something which JFK would have prevened.

Yes, we get it. He hasn't started any NEW wars, but what wars are their to start? Only Iran is left and that will take dozens of years of sanctions and detabilization campaigns for your soldiers to march in and destroy. They know this. Secondly, war with boots on the ground at least gives innocents a fighting chance rather than drone bombing people from above, 98% who are innocent victims, which Trump has done with a vengeance.

You cannot deny this but put your head in the sand. Plus, Trump destroyed the isolationist reform party to get Bush elected.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Reductio ad absurdums.

You don't even know what that means. to show that, you need to reduce what I'm saying to show it is absurd. Which is what I'm doing when I dilute your words to "the Jews DID IT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL"

Trump increased Drone bombing in soverign nations

See, that isn't true. You found an article that showed Drone bombing had increased, but they were not US drone bombings, rather drone use by all actors in the area. You ignored that data, but when pulled up on it, then claimed it everyone is working for the zionists, so it didn't matter and Trump is guilty by association, and all deaths where therefore his fault.

He hasn't started any NEW wars, but what wars are their to start?

This is is called 'moving the goalposts'.

Pat Buchanan didn't need any help destroying his own party

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Trump's authorization for the corrupt CIA to drone bomb sovereign nations has resulted in the death of at least 1,904 people and the figure could be as high as 3,114, US scholars Peter Bergen and David Sterman wrote.

Again, you completely gloss over the fact that Trump authorized this move. Not only that; these ARE CONFIRMED US DRONE STRIKES, stop gaslighting.

https://leappakistan.com/trump-revokes-obama-rule-on-reporting-drone-strike-deaths/

The Trump administration said the rule was “superfluous” and distracting. The order applied to the CIA, which has carried out drone strikes in countries such as Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Somalia. “This action eliminates superfluous reporting requirements, requirements that do not improve government transparency, but rather distract our intelligence professionals from their primary mission,” an official said.

...after gutting the already lax regulations on drone strikes and giving the CIA free rein to kill whomever they choose, it took Trump only seven months to surpass the number of civilian deaths that occurred during Obama’s entire eight-year presidency, according to non-profit monitoring group Airwars.

The Trump administration's subservience to Saudi Arabia's military adventurism in Yemen has lead to 8x the drone assassination rate of Obama,” WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange wrote on Twitter. “Most killed are civilians. Obama, in turn, had 10x the drone kills of Bush.”

[...]

The Bureau’s research shows there were 127 confirmed US strikes in Yemen in last year, a sizeable increase on 2016’s 32 strikes.

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/drone-war/data/yemen-reported-us-covert-actions-2017

Yemen:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lb1hEYJ_omI8lSe33izwS2a2lbiygs0hTp2Al_Kz5KQ/htmlview#gid=977256262

Somalia:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-LT5TVBMy1Rj2WH30xQG9nqr8-RXFVvzJE_47NlpeSY/htmlview

Afghanistan:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q1eBZ275Znlpn05PnPO7Q1BkI3yJZbvB3JycywAmqWc/htmlview

And you know, Trump's rhetoric on Iran is parallel to the Likudniks ideology. Again, he pardoned 9/11 perps and is friends with all of them. TREASON.

Buchanan

And yet, Bush appointed Stone, hired Trump to destroy the reform party. I cannot say this enough, Trump is fond of Bush. Had been for thirty years.

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    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    YES SIR

    [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    Trump's authorization for the corrupt CIA to drone bomb sovereign nations has resulted in the death of at least 1,904 people and the figure could be as high as 3,114, US scholars Peter Bergen and David Sterman wrote.

    now YOU are gaslighting. Source: https://www.outlookindia.com/newswire/story/has-donald-trump-given-cia-authorisation-to-conduct-drone-strikes-on-terror-groups/966778

    I'm fine with dead terrorists. Be in a war, die. no worries.

    But that's not the line you've been spinning, and that's a sly and underhand catfish. Not civilian deaths at all. combatant deaths.

    Jesus, you have no integrity whatsoever

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      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      ?

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      What in God's name are you talking about? Each source has combatant deaths and innocent deaths counted as collateral. These are US strikes. You're gaslighting, not me.

      You then say, "you're fine With dead terrorists," as if you are okay with sovereign nations being bombed and 98% of victims being bystanders.

      If you mean combatant deaths in the sense that an entire nation and its people are combatants then I have nothing better to say. You are using a strawman on me and ignoring that these are US drones strikes and 98% are not the targets they intend to kill.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      see https://saidit.net/s/WarWatch/comments/6t8y/trump_fired_old_pentagon_adviser_days_ago_new/q1mh

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I don't care. You're gaslighting. I gave you the sources. Yes, I posted about this man. He was for the Iraq War. They are wolves in sheep's clothing. I don't CARE WHAT THEY SAY. Anybody can say ANYTHING!

      They push for war and then tell us it was a failure as did McGregor did. Again, they use noble straussian lies to get the people to unify under the trumpet of war. That way they look like isolationists in a time of peace, despite drone bombing in sovereign nations, and two, they wage war using false flags, that way they look like the defenders of peace.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      You're gaslighting. I gave you the sources

      You are gaslighting, I read your fucking sources and they didn't say what you said they did

      noble straussian lies

      you'd know all about that, the ends justify the means, am i right?

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/drone-war/data/yemen-reported-us-covert-actions-2017

      Yemen:

      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lb1hEYJ_omI8lSe33izwS2a2lbiygs0hTp2Al_Kz5KQ/htmlview#gid=977256262

      Somalia:

      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-LT5TVBMy1Rj2WH30xQG9nqr8-RXFVvzJE_47NlpeSY/htmlview

      Afghanistan:

      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q1eBZ275Znlpn05PnPO7Q1BkI3yJZbvB3JycywAmqWc/htmlview

      Nevertheless, children and innocents die in sovereign countries.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      And still you wriggle, not being straight up honest. Here, you attempt to avoid addressing the fact that you pretended that drone strikes were killing thousands of civilians, when they were killing enemy combatants, in the main. You then compared that military toll to Obama's actual civilian toll (and fuck knows why you have a hard on for Obama, he was as complicit as you can get with the Chabad Jew Agenda) and used that apples and oranges comparison to fuel your rant against Trump (because, orange man bad). Then, when confronted by someone who took the time to check your spammed sources (a tactic used to overwhelm the other with meaningless data), you then spam more data, presumably hoping I wouldn't read the data that showed.... somewhere between 0 and 2 children dead and somewhere between 3 and 10 civilians dead, in 127 drone strikes. Hmm, not supporting your original theory.

      So, to the spreadsheet. Wait a minute, are 2018, 2019 and 2020 almost free of drone strikes, why, yes they are. Almost as if it took a bit of time for the Military to start following the orders its exec hated so much (and are documented in saying that they misinformed the president about, in acts of pure treason)

      Somalia? ooh, those figures look bad. But wait. 0 civilian causalities. Ah, that's right Somalia is a hotbed of violent murderers, hell bent of killing.

      In fact, Afghanistan is the only place that supports your theory, a little, with a pick up of attacks, and 697 dead civilians during Trump's presidency. Reading the disclaimer:

      There were 1071 US strikes in 2016, according to figures given to the Bureau by the US military. The Bureau had recorded between 617 and 622 strikes. The remaining strikes were added to the database, which now shows a significantly higher number of strikes for 2016 compared to 2015. In October 2016, Reuters reported there had been around 500 US strikes in 2015. There's also been breaks in our access to the official military data. See the notes in the yearly strike totals for more information.

      So it looks like things picked up there in the last year of Obama's presidency, although the data from his time is ... incomplete, so again, we can't really make a comparison.

      On another note, Trump pulled out, and there is currently a transfer of power occurring in Afghanistan, but that's really an aside.

      Put very simply, the data does not support your claims.

      You'd have more success if you picked a fact. established reality, and then debated it, instead of hysterically misrepresenting facts, then moving goalposts and dismissing issues like a demented speed addict.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Hard-on for Obama? Obama was a war-criminal and a born again neocon according to Robert Kagan.

      Again, Trump is a ZioCon. He has witheld aid from Palestine and is friends with the 9/11 perps. Hence, treason.

      I looked at McGregor and found this:

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/IMG-20200305-WA0011.jpg/800px-IMG-20200305-WA0011.jpg

      https://nypost.com/2020/07/27/trump-picks-antiwar-favorite-douglas-macgregor-to-be-german-ambassador/

      ^ ^ ^ With IDF

      Views on the Iraq War

      In 2004, Magregor stated that he strongly supported war against Iraq.

      Anti-War??? Or rebranding? Hmmmm, that's not a good start.

      During the beginning of the Iraq War, Macgregor disagreed with those who wanted to slow the advance into Baghdad in order to fight Fedayeen paramilitary forces. In 2006, after seven retired generals criticized then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's handling of the war, Magregor faulted the generals themselves for poor war planning and the resulting complications in Iraq.

      You know, not that it was an ilelgal war from the beginning based on a false pretext.

      Macgregor's 2009 book, Warrior's Rage: The Great Tank Battle of 73 Easting, argues that the failure to finish the battle with the Republican Guard in 1991 led to Iraq's second major confrontation with the United States in 2003.

      Illegal invasion based on a false pretext orchestrated by ZioCons.

      Macgregor says that David Petraeus, Martin Dempsey, and other generals consistently exaggerated or falsified the effectiveness of the Iraqi army because "the generals were simply cultivating their Bush administration sponsors in pursuit of further promotion".

      Hmmmm.

      By 2020, Macgregor's website called the war in Iraq a failure.[19]

      A faliure not in initiating the illegal war based on a false pretext but on not finishing it or he is just rebranding himself, who knows.

      In 2014, after Russia tried to annex Crimea and was engaged in a conflict with Ukraine over its eastern parts, Macgregor went on Russian network RT where he called Eastern Ukrainians "Russians".

      In 2014, Macgregor went on Russian network RT to express his opposition to U.S. intervention in the Kosovo War.

      "There's sort of a sick mentality that says that generations after generations must atone sins of what happened in 13 years of German history and ignore the other 1,500 years of Germany. And Germany played a critical role in central Europe in terms of defending the serving Western civilization. So I think that's, that's the problem."

      -- Colonel Douglas Macgregor, United States Army (Retired); Ambassador nominee to Germany

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Oh, yes, I agree here with you, that Webb was wrong and my interpretation was wrong. But again, I do not truat these stats at face value. The people who died are not all militants and they classify them as alleged militants. We know very little; not even their names.

      It's very ambiguous.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Standards, Jesus. You need standards. You have a model in your head. A very simple, orange man Zionist one. You twist everything to fit that model, pretend "IT IS FACT", then when your BS is pointed out, instead of going "hey, maybe I'm wrong, I should, you know, own my mistakes and move on", you double down and now pretend that any shit anyone makes up MUST BE REAL.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      we refer to those injured and killed as ‘alleged militants’ or ‘alleged terrorists’. The bulk of those killed fall into this category.

      Pre-emptive? Remember, the people in these datasheets that died are NOT ALL MILITANTS! The civilian casualties are those that are known. The test are intermingled with the people killed whoch could be militants or unknown persons. We don't know. And how can we half the time?

      We use the term ‘militant’ to describe all organised, named groups that bear arms.

      Again, they never claim in the data-sheet that all of those people are militants. Only that their are confirmed civilian deaths theough vetted news papers and sources. Most of the names are unknown which makes reporting hard.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      They are alleged and a third we don't even know their names. Cool, you like murder.

      [–]F--K_BIDEN 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      bobbobbybob,

      just so when your team arrives to kill me, i left some cookies and milk on the front porch and i left the porch light on and the front door is open, and i left your favorite jammies and they are laid out at the foot of the guest bed, just like you like it.

      love,

      joseph babbinitch biden

      [–]F--K_BIDEN 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      /u/bobbobbybob is on his way to kill me! omg, i am so excited.. i have never been killed before.. this is going to be a first for me.. i have never died before, especially being killed by a "top in his class" navy seal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      somebody take pictures or video, maybe livestream this..

      fuck, i am so happy.

      this is better than winning the lottery.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Yes, it is Trump's fault. He could have stopped it but he revoked the Obama legislation to count civilian deaths from US drone strikes. Shameless ZioCon.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      You are still saying "US drone strikes", because you believe the fake story you made up