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[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And still you wriggle, not being straight up honest. Here, you attempt to avoid addressing the fact that you pretended that drone strikes were killing thousands of civilians, when they were killing enemy combatants, in the main. You then compared that military toll to Obama's actual civilian toll (and fuck knows why you have a hard on for Obama, he was as complicit as you can get with the Chabad Jew Agenda) and used that apples and oranges comparison to fuel your rant against Trump (because, orange man bad). Then, when confronted by someone who took the time to check your spammed sources (a tactic used to overwhelm the other with meaningless data), you then spam more data, presumably hoping I wouldn't read the data that showed.... somewhere between 0 and 2 children dead and somewhere between 3 and 10 civilians dead, in 127 drone strikes. Hmm, not supporting your original theory.

So, to the spreadsheet. Wait a minute, are 2018, 2019 and 2020 almost free of drone strikes, why, yes they are. Almost as if it took a bit of time for the Military to start following the orders its exec hated so much (and are documented in saying that they misinformed the president about, in acts of pure treason)

Somalia? ooh, those figures look bad. But wait. 0 civilian causalities. Ah, that's right Somalia is a hotbed of violent murderers, hell bent of killing.

In fact, Afghanistan is the only place that supports your theory, a little, with a pick up of attacks, and 697 dead civilians during Trump's presidency. Reading the disclaimer:

There were 1071 US strikes in 2016, according to figures given to the Bureau by the US military. The Bureau had recorded between 617 and 622 strikes. The remaining strikes were added to the database, which now shows a significantly higher number of strikes for 2016 compared to 2015. In October 2016, Reuters reported there had been around 500 US strikes in 2015. There's also been breaks in our access to the official military data. See the notes in the yearly strike totals for more information.

So it looks like things picked up there in the last year of Obama's presidency, although the data from his time is ... incomplete, so again, we can't really make a comparison.

On another note, Trump pulled out, and there is currently a transfer of power occurring in Afghanistan, but that's really an aside.

Put very simply, the data does not support your claims.

You'd have more success if you picked a fact. established reality, and then debated it, instead of hysterically misrepresenting facts, then moving goalposts and dismissing issues like a demented speed addict.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hard-on for Obama? Obama was a war-criminal and a born again neocon according to Robert Kagan.

Again, Trump is a ZioCon. He has witheld aid from Palestine and is friends with the 9/11 perps. Hence, treason.


I looked at McGregor and found this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/IMG-20200305-WA0011.jpg/800px-IMG-20200305-WA0011.jpg

https://nypost.com/2020/07/27/trump-picks-antiwar-favorite-douglas-macgregor-to-be-german-ambassador/

^ ^ ^ With IDF


Views on the Iraq War


In 2004, Magregor stated that he strongly supported war against Iraq.

Anti-War??? Or rebranding? Hmmmm, that's not a good start.

During the beginning of the Iraq War, Macgregor disagreed with those who wanted to slow the advance into Baghdad in order to fight Fedayeen paramilitary forces. In 2006, after seven retired generals criticized then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's handling of the war, Magregor faulted the generals themselves for poor war planning and the resulting complications in Iraq.

You know, not that it was an ilelgal war from the beginning based on a false pretext.

Macgregor's 2009 book, Warrior's Rage: The Great Tank Battle of 73 Easting, argues that the failure to finish the battle with the Republican Guard in 1991 led to Iraq's second major confrontation with the United States in 2003.

Illegal invasion based on a false pretext orchestrated by ZioCons.

Macgregor says that David Petraeus, Martin Dempsey, and other generals consistently exaggerated or falsified the effectiveness of the Iraqi army because "the generals were simply cultivating their Bush administration sponsors in pursuit of further promotion".

Hmmmm.

By 2020, Macgregor's website called the war in Iraq a failure.[19]

A faliure not in initiating the illegal war based on a false pretext but on not finishing it or he is just rebranding himself, who knows.

In 2014, after Russia tried to annex Crimea and was engaged in a conflict with Ukraine over its eastern parts, Macgregor went on Russian network RT where he called Eastern Ukrainians "Russians".

In 2014, Macgregor went on Russian network RT to express his opposition to U.S. intervention in the Kosovo War.

"There's sort of a sick mentality that says that generations after generations must atone sins of what happened in 13 years of German history and ignore the other 1,500 years of Germany. And Germany played a critical role in central Europe in terms of defending the serving Western civilization. So I think that's, that's the problem."

-- Colonel Douglas Macgregor, United States Army (Retired); Ambassador nominee to Germany

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh, yes, I agree here with you, that Webb was wrong and my interpretation was wrong. But again, I do not truat these stats at face value. The people who died are not all militants and they classify them as alleged militants. We know very little; not even their names.

It's very ambiguous.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Standards, Jesus. You need standards. You have a model in your head. A very simple, orange man Zionist one. You twist everything to fit that model, pretend "IT IS FACT", then when your BS is pointed out, instead of going "hey, maybe I'm wrong, I should, you know, own my mistakes and move on", you double down and now pretend that any shit anyone makes up MUST BE REAL.