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[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Trump's authorization for the corrupt CIA to drone bomb sovereign nations has resulted in the death of at least 1,904 people and the figure could be as high as 3,114, US scholars Peter Bergen and David Sterman wrote.

Again, you completely gloss over the fact that Trump authorized this move. Not only that; these ARE CONFIRMED US DRONE STRIKES, stop gaslighting.

https://leappakistan.com/trump-revokes-obama-rule-on-reporting-drone-strike-deaths/

The Trump administration said the rule was “superfluous” and distracting. The order applied to the CIA, which has carried out drone strikes in countries such as Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Somalia. “This action eliminates superfluous reporting requirements, requirements that do not improve government transparency, but rather distract our intelligence professionals from their primary mission,” an official said.

...after gutting the already lax regulations on drone strikes and giving the CIA free rein to kill whomever they choose, it took Trump only seven months to surpass the number of civilian deaths that occurred during Obama’s entire eight-year presidency, according to non-profit monitoring group Airwars.

The Trump administration's subservience to Saudi Arabia's military adventurism in Yemen has lead to 8x the drone assassination rate of Obama,” WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange wrote on Twitter. “Most killed are civilians. Obama, in turn, had 10x the drone kills of Bush.”

[...]

The Bureau’s research shows there were 127 confirmed US strikes in Yemen in last year, a sizeable increase on 2016’s 32 strikes.

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/drone-war/data/yemen-reported-us-covert-actions-2017

Yemen:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lb1hEYJ_omI8lSe33izwS2a2lbiygs0hTp2Al_Kz5KQ/htmlview#gid=977256262

Somalia:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-LT5TVBMy1Rj2WH30xQG9nqr8-RXFVvzJE_47NlpeSY/htmlview

Afghanistan:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q1eBZ275Znlpn05PnPO7Q1BkI3yJZbvB3JycywAmqWc/htmlview

And you know, Trump's rhetoric on Iran is parallel to the Likudniks ideology. Again, he pardoned 9/11 perps and is friends with all of them. TREASON.

Buchanan

And yet, Bush appointed Stone, hired Trump to destroy the reform party. I cannot say this enough, Trump is fond of Bush. Had been for thirty years.

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    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    YES SIR

    [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    Trump's authorization for the corrupt CIA to drone bomb sovereign nations has resulted in the death of at least 1,904 people and the figure could be as high as 3,114, US scholars Peter Bergen and David Sterman wrote.

    now YOU are gaslighting. Source: https://www.outlookindia.com/newswire/story/has-donald-trump-given-cia-authorisation-to-conduct-drone-strikes-on-terror-groups/966778

    I'm fine with dead terrorists. Be in a war, die. no worries.

    But that's not the line you've been spinning, and that's a sly and underhand catfish. Not civilian deaths at all. combatant deaths.

    Jesus, you have no integrity whatsoever

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      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      ?

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      What in God's name are you talking about? Each source has combatant deaths and innocent deaths counted as collateral. These are US strikes. You're gaslighting, not me.

      You then say, "you're fine With dead terrorists," as if you are okay with sovereign nations being bombed and 98% of victims being bystanders.

      If you mean combatant deaths in the sense that an entire nation and its people are combatants then I have nothing better to say. You are using a strawman on me and ignoring that these are US drones strikes and 98% are not the targets they intend to kill.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I don't care. You're gaslighting. I gave you the sources. Yes, I posted about this man. He was for the Iraq War. They are wolves in sheep's clothing. I don't CARE WHAT THEY SAY. Anybody can say ANYTHING!

      They push for war and then tell us it was a failure as did McGregor did. Again, they use noble straussian lies to get the people to unify under the trumpet of war. That way they look like isolationists in a time of peace, despite drone bombing in sovereign nations, and two, they wage war using false flags, that way they look like the defenders of peace.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      You're gaslighting. I gave you the sources

      You are gaslighting, I read your fucking sources and they didn't say what you said they did

      noble straussian lies

      you'd know all about that, the ends justify the means, am i right?

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      And still you wriggle, not being straight up honest. Here, you attempt to avoid addressing the fact that you pretended that drone strikes were killing thousands of civilians, when they were killing enemy combatants, in the main. You then compared that military toll to Obama's actual civilian toll (and fuck knows why you have a hard on for Obama, he was as complicit as you can get with the Chabad Jew Agenda) and used that apples and oranges comparison to fuel your rant against Trump (because, orange man bad). Then, when confronted by someone who took the time to check your spammed sources (a tactic used to overwhelm the other with meaningless data), you then spam more data, presumably hoping I wouldn't read the data that showed.... somewhere between 0 and 2 children dead and somewhere between 3 and 10 civilians dead, in 127 drone strikes. Hmm, not supporting your original theory.

      So, to the spreadsheet. Wait a minute, are 2018, 2019 and 2020 almost free of drone strikes, why, yes they are. Almost as if it took a bit of time for the Military to start following the orders its exec hated so much (and are documented in saying that they misinformed the president about, in acts of pure treason)

      Somalia? ooh, those figures look bad. But wait. 0 civilian causalities. Ah, that's right Somalia is a hotbed of violent murderers, hell bent of killing.

      In fact, Afghanistan is the only place that supports your theory, a little, with a pick up of attacks, and 697 dead civilians during Trump's presidency. Reading the disclaimer:

      There were 1071 US strikes in 2016, according to figures given to the Bureau by the US military. The Bureau had recorded between 617 and 622 strikes. The remaining strikes were added to the database, which now shows a significantly higher number of strikes for 2016 compared to 2015. In October 2016, Reuters reported there had been around 500 US strikes in 2015. There's also been breaks in our access to the official military data. See the notes in the yearly strike totals for more information.

      So it looks like things picked up there in the last year of Obama's presidency, although the data from his time is ... incomplete, so again, we can't really make a comparison.

      On another note, Trump pulled out, and there is currently a transfer of power occurring in Afghanistan, but that's really an aside.

      Put very simply, the data does not support your claims.

      You'd have more success if you picked a fact. established reality, and then debated it, instead of hysterically misrepresenting facts, then moving goalposts and dismissing issues like a demented speed addict.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Hard-on for Obama? Obama was a war-criminal and a born again neocon according to Robert Kagan.

      Again, Trump is a ZioCon. He has witheld aid from Palestine and is friends with the 9/11 perps. Hence, treason.


      I looked at McGregor and found this:

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/IMG-20200305-WA0011.jpg/800px-IMG-20200305-WA0011.jpg

      https://nypost.com/2020/07/27/trump-picks-antiwar-favorite-douglas-macgregor-to-be-german-ambassador/

      ^ ^ ^ With IDF


      Views on the Iraq War


      In 2004, Magregor stated that he strongly supported war against Iraq.

      Anti-War??? Or rebranding? Hmmmm, that's not a good start.

      During the beginning of the Iraq War, Macgregor disagreed with those who wanted to slow the advance into Baghdad in order to fight Fedayeen paramilitary forces. In 2006, after seven retired generals criticized then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's handling of the war, Magregor faulted the generals themselves for poor war planning and the resulting complications in Iraq.

      You know, not that it was an ilelgal war from the beginning based on a false pretext.

      Macgregor's 2009 book, Warrior's Rage: The Great Tank Battle of 73 Easting, argues that the failure to finish the battle with the Republican Guard in 1991 led to Iraq's second major confrontation with the United States in 2003.

      Illegal invasion based on a false pretext orchestrated by ZioCons.

      Macgregor says that David Petraeus, Martin Dempsey, and other generals consistently exaggerated or falsified the effectiveness of the Iraqi army because "the generals were simply cultivating their Bush administration sponsors in pursuit of further promotion".

      Hmmmm.

      By 2020, Macgregor's website called the war in Iraq a failure.[19]

      A faliure not in initiating the illegal war based on a false pretext but on not finishing it or he is just rebranding himself, who knows.

      In 2014, after Russia tried to annex Crimea and was engaged in a conflict with Ukraine over its eastern parts, Macgregor went on Russian network RT where he called Eastern Ukrainians "Russians".

      In 2014, Macgregor went on Russian network RT to express his opposition to U.S. intervention in the Kosovo War.

      "There's sort of a sick mentality that says that generations after generations must atone sins of what happened in 13 years of German history and ignore the other 1,500 years of Germany. And Germany played a critical role in central Europe in terms of defending the serving Western civilization. So I think that's, that's the problem."

      -- Colonel Douglas Macgregor, United States Army (Retired); Ambassador nominee to Germany

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Oh, yes, I agree here with you, that Webb was wrong and my interpretation was wrong. But again, I do not truat these stats at face value. The people who died are not all militants and they classify them as alleged militants. We know very little; not even their names.

      It's very ambiguous.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Standards, Jesus. You need standards. You have a model in your head. A very simple, orange man Zionist one. You twist everything to fit that model, pretend "IT IS FACT", then when your BS is pointed out, instead of going "hey, maybe I'm wrong, I should, you know, own my mistakes and move on", you double down and now pretend that any shit anyone makes up MUST BE REAL.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      we refer to those injured and killed as ‘alleged militants’ or ‘alleged terrorists’. The bulk of those killed fall into this category.

      Pre-emptive? Remember, the people in these datasheets that died are NOT ALL MILITANTS! The civilian casualties are those that are known. The test are intermingled with the people killed whoch could be militants or unknown persons. We don't know. And how can we half the time?

      We use the term ‘militant’ to describe all organised, named groups that bear arms.

      Again, they never claim in the data-sheet that all of those people are militants. Only that their are confirmed civilian deaths theough vetted news papers and sources. Most of the names are unknown which makes reporting hard.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      They are alleged and a third we don't even know their names. Cool, you like murder.

      [–]F--K_BIDEN 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      bobbobbybob,

      just so when your team arrives to kill me, i left some cookies and milk on the front porch and i left the porch light on and the front door is open, and i left your favorite jammies and they are laid out at the foot of the guest bed, just like you like it.

      love,

      joseph babbinitch biden

      [–]F--K_BIDEN 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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