Shattering transgender and trans ally cognitive dissonance

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How do we shatter the cognitive dissonance of transgenders and trans activists?

Ironically insulting them isn't good behavior and it probably won't work since Martin Luther King says you can't use hate the fight hate. BUT, logically refuting them is fine most of the time as long as you are polite, and it may cause them MORE psychological suffering since these people can't threaten the truth until it shuts up... it will stay with them in their conscience reminding them of how wrong they are.

So when these people are so bigotted and blind and retarded, how do we remind them that they are delusional in a way that is calm and polite, but will chew at them for the rest of the day, no matter how much they try to mentally gymnastic around it?

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[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's best to avoid and ignore these people as much as possible. They simply don't accept reality, which is pretty much the definition of mental illness, so you won't be able to change that. Most of them do this because of extreme narcissism, so depriving them of the constant validation they crave is the best way to drive them nuts.

It would be more effective IMO to instead find normal people who are on the fence about trans and gently nudge them in the direction of sanity.

[–]Titanic[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So attacking their narcissism is the real solution.

How do we do that? Softly reminding them they are not any better than everyone else?

"You believe in equality and so do I. You are equal to everyone else. No better. So please stop acting like you are. Everyone is equally special, you aren't more special than me or him or anyone else."

Or do we have to be mean about it: "You think you are somehow Albert Einstein for figuring out how to be a mentally ill pervert? You're so stupid you think men are women. You are inferior."

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You're kinda looking at this wrong. I was with a narcissist for a good long time (borderline personality disorder), and the problem with your approach is that engaging with them in any way feeds their desire to be noticed. They're actually very happy to get negative comments, either soft or harsh, because that means they get to have a fight with you. And they will drag that fight on for hours, talking you in circles until you don't know which way is up.

This is why i say it's best to avoid them. Their real Achilles heel is that they are deeply insecure about others' opinions of them. They want to be loved by everyone. You want to damage a narcissist? Find a way to turn others against them.

[–]Titanic[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So... they want to be loved by everyone but also they are happy if you hate them?

How do we fight these people? We can't just ignore them. They are voting for horrible policies!

If we do not convince them they are LYING to themselves, they will keep institutionalizing their illness into our government.

Every tranny VOTES. Every T.R.A VOTES.

We need to tell them: "Excuse me sir, you are factually mistaken." in a way that pops their delusions before they destroy their bodies, destroy my country, and convince others to join their faggotry and mental illness

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's why you need to get other people on your side - to counter the troons' votes.

[–]Titanic[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holy shit I have an idea hold on.

[–]LtGreenCo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wait where the fuck did MLK come from? What's he got to do with trannies and why would something he said once be a factor into the predicted efficiency of insults?

[–]Titanic[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Martin Luther King was someone who fought bigotry and evil in a way that was peaceful and effective.

I want to fight the bigotry and evil of these sodomite trannies in a way that is peaceful and effective.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Unfortunately, that's a really difficult task. Not impossible, there's plenty of detransitioners who prove that much. But awareness typically only comes to them after they do things, medically, that they can't roll back once they realize that the final result isn't (and never could have been) what they wanted. It's the reality of a lifetime of forcing open a wound or inflating a meattube in a grotesque parody of a natural function, of seeing a missing patch of skin somewhere that became a graft or constantly smelling something rancid and foul. Of not having the same level of sexual function (maybe even none at all). That's the wake-up point for most of them.

For allies? I don't think they even have a point at which they'll wake up. Because being an ally doesn't actually affect in any lasting way, unless you count maybe having to bed one of the troons for validation.

[–]Titanic[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree, they realize after they destroy themselves. But at that point it's too late, we need to save these stupid fuckers BEFORE they irreversibly maim themselves into perpetual invalids.

[–]JulienMayfair 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If you've ever personally dealt with a pathological narcissist, you'll know that there is really no way to remind them that they are delusional that would be perceived by them as "polite." The key to understanding narcissistic identity is that they experience any challenge to that identity as an attack on their very existence; it's as if you are literally trying to murder them. It causes them that much distress. It's one of the reasons they are so angry all the time. Reality already chews at them all day long.

[–]Titanic[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How about in a way that WOULD be perceived as polite if they weren't so narcissistic?

How do I remind them of reality?

Do I maximize their hopelessness? Do I compare them to pretty women and tell them they will never be equal?

Do I call them frauds?

I have someone I know who wants to hurt himself. I want to educate him next time I see him so he doesn't chop his sausage off.