Typical British Army sexual harassment situation

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[–]slavdude0 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

I mean, men are also victims of sexual harassment... But doing this sort of campaign in military setting and with a hindu-dindu, someone from the world's rape central? Wow.

[–]QueenBread 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (46 children)

I mean, men are also victims of sexual harassment...

Yes, they are.

By other men.

Women performing any type of sexual harassment is an extremely rare event. You can search large and wide on the internet and find examples of it, just like I am pretty sure you can find me articles of humans biting dogs. But the thing that happens 99% of the times is dogs biting humans.

[–]slavdude0 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Nope. The issues are:

A) Men tend to hide it.

B) It's not taken seriously by other men.

C) It's not taken seriously by women, especially feminazi subhuman cunts.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

a) Ah yes, because women, who are the one gender who is regularly shamed if they have more than one sexual partner, and in some cultures is even the one gender who is punished for it...... is of course the gender who is more brave in not hiding sexual assault. Totally. Men, however, do hide being raped BY OTHER MEN, because they fear being considered gay.

b) If a man is raped by another man, it's taken seriously enough. If a man is raped by a woman..... well, everyone laughs, because biologically it's just something that has a very VERY VERY low chance of even happening.

c) Of course I don't take it seriously. When idiots like you keep claiming "but what about meeeen" or try to pretend that women are dangerous rapists, you hurt the rights of women...... and of men who have been sexually abused for real (by other men, usually).

[–]slavdude0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

well, everyone laughs, because biologically it's just something that has a very VERY VERY low chance of even happening.

There you go you pathetic cunt. Compassion has to go both ways. And that's exactly why I don't give a flying fuck about people like you. You are subhuman to me, exactly the same way as most troons.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

And that's exactly why I don't give a flying fuck about people like you.

I know you don't. You hate women in general, especially women that point and laugh at you, like I am doing.

It only makes me want to point and laugh at you more. You deserve it.

[–]slavdude0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You're not a woman tho. You're a freak. Huge difference.

But I support you in your transition.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Yeah, you tried. Too bad you don't get to define what a woman is, dipshit, but I know an incel like you thinks they can. Can you at least try to come up with an actual insult, for once? Just once.

[–]slavdude0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I know what a woman is. And your not it, you troon zoophile freak.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Here's the the thing about being a real woman: you don't care if they try to call you man as an insult, because you're still 200% woman. Here's also the thing about being a person who isn't a troon or a zoophile: if they try to call you that, it falls on deaf ears. Here's also the thing about being a freak: it's a compliment, glad I ain't some unlucky sexually repressed puritan.

....Here's also the thing about you: what are you even doing here? Your logic matches perfectly that of the average tranny incel.

[–]xoenix[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Women performing any type of sexual harassment is an extremely rare event.

It's not that rare with female teachers and teen boys in schools.

There's also all the gender grooming happening to even younger kids, but they can hide behind it being state-sanctioned.

[–]wylanderuk 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Its not that rare outside of that as well. The only fucking difference is women get a fucking pass for acting in a manner that men will get virtually eviscerated over.

I still say if you want to see really shitty reactions to rejection reject a woman.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's not that rare with female teachers and teen boys in schools.

Were the teen boys raped by the female teacher or were they consenting to bang her?

Yeah.

Taking advantage of a teen is creepy and disgusting and a female teacher doing so should be persecuted. But consensual sex is not rape.

By the way, even in this scenario, it's usually the male teachers who hit on the teen girls. But it's still not rape if both parties are consenting, no matter how icky and creepy it is.

It's a very, very, VERY male way of thinking to assume that consensual sex is the same as rape. But even you know the difference.

[–]xoenix[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not gonna disagree too hard because the point of the original post was that the image is ridiculous. But there is the concept that minors cannot consent. Also the word being used was "harassment" not rape.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

Why limit it to sexual harassment? What about just harassment in general.

I've seen it happen before and the women can get pretty brazen about it because the reaction you see is basically the same as you see here "that doesn't happen" and since the knee jerk response is not to believe it the really horrid ones will threaten to claim they were the ones who were harassed if the guy reports it.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

I've seen it happen before

Ah yes, women, notorious sexual harassers to be worried about.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

I think it's equally retarded to hold the attitude that women are perfect little angels incapable of being the harasser just as it's retarded to ignore the fact that most sexual harassment is carried out by men.

These aren't mutually exclusive ideas. But in a society where you just write off the idea "oh women would never do that" you've given a carte blanche to the harassers to do whatever they want, very similar to how you can give pedophiles perfect environment for predation if you scream homophobia at any criticism of inappropriate actions.

Most gay people, aren't pedophiles. But that doesn't change the fact that there are gay pedophiles.

Most women aren't sexual predators. That doesn't change the fact that there are women who are.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

I think it's equally retarded to hold the attitude that women are perfect little angels incapable of being the harasser just as it's retarded to ignore the fact that most sexual harassment is carried out by men.

The problem is that this is an attempt to equate women to men. Women aren't men. Just like men aren't women.

The issue here is that certain mysoginist men are desperately trying to paint women as being capable of the same violence men are, because they absolutely lose their shit at realizing the harsh reality that women just aren't violent, perverted or dangerous like men are.

It would be the same as if our species evolved from birds and some women-birds suddenly started claiming that they can do the cool mating dance and nice singing as well so it's totally not a man-bird thing to do. It would be the same as if our species evolved from bees and some male-bees would start clamoring that they too can sting and carry honey. Or female deers claiming they too can butt heads with male deers.

Just accept that our species of ape is all about male violence and aggression. It's literally what our species does.

You want to paint women as evil? Then, instead of trying to attribute male-pattern violence of abuse, rape and violence to women, you should find the female-pattern violence. Otherwise I'll keep laughing at your (as in people in this subreddit) attempt to attribute male violence to women.

Female pattern violence focuses on children first and foremost, and on self-harm second. And Munchausen by proxy is mostly a female thing.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Some women mimic the male pattern violence. Most don't. But some do.

Women typically don't have much success being violent towards men since they're likely to be weaker than the male. But in situations where the male cannot respond to violence with violence in turn some will use that strategy. It'd the classic "you can't hit me back I'm a girl" bullying tactic.

Girl attacks some guy she wants to bully for whatever reason. Then says "You can't hit me back because I'm a girl". The guy can hit her in self defense, but the girl will go crying to the teacher, and the guy will get in trouble, and most everyone will say the guy is in the wrong.

Now there are certainly smarter ways to deal with this situation than violence, but this is the way that society works.

The question to ask is "are women capable of violence" as a general statement sure, men are more violent than women is true. But is there any reason why some individual woman can't just decide to murder someone? Clearly they can. So applying social wide level generalities towards the individual isn't smart. You wouldn't go into court and argue that you didn't commit the murder because "women don't murder people".

[–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't forget violence by proxy, but I would not say that women are less violent than men but their target group is different. I think men are more likely to be violent towards strangers, but women are more likely to violent towards those they know.

DV stats would back that up.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Some women mimic the male pattern violence. Most don't. But some do.

Except they literally CAN'T. Just like a female bird can't mimick the dance or singing of a male bird because she lacks the equipment to do so. Just like a female deer can't mimick the horned fights of male deers because she lacks the equipment to do so.

Females lack a penis, lack the far superior phyisical strength, and even lack the instinctive impulse to react violently.

So, how about you stop trying to attribute what is biologically a male behaviour, to women.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Because it's literally retarded to think that just because women are worse at violence than men are that means they are physically incapable of it.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

"It's literally retarded to think that, just because male bees don't have the sting equipment, they are uncapable of stinging." "It's literally retarded to think that, just because female peacocks don't have long feathertails, they are uncapable of doing the feather wheel display."

[–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great then fire all female mbrs of the armed forces, police, prison services, fire services and perhaps even ambulance service then.

That is taking your "logic" to its logical conclusion.

Not a position I would take myself because if you can make the standards I don't fucking care about someone's plumbing.

[–]QueenBread 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

This is intentional. It's meant to make sexual harassment seem like a laughable matter. It's plain old mysoginy.

98% of all sexual crimes worldwide is committed by men. (For obvious biological reasons.)

So there's nothing better than this type of advertisment if you hate women and want sexual harassment to seem ridiculous.

[–]wylanderuk 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You are a fucking idiot.

[–]QueenBread 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Cry me a river. Men still are the rapists. You hate hearing this, don't you? I'm going to repeat it again and again. 98% of sexual assault worldwide is done by men. Worldwide, buddy. You can fake the statistics in one region or perhaps even one country - not in the entire world.

You want to be the strong gender? The one who's much better at sports? Yeah, then also take the bad side of it, dipshit.

[–]wylanderuk 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh fuck off you absolutely insane cunt.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nice argument, now I'm so convinced.

[–]CheeseWizard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sky is blue, water is wet, OP is an idiot, and so on...

[–]AriShekelsteinDDS 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Your hobby horse is bleeding to death because you won’t stop whipping it.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I wish your statement made any sense. Is this some kind of "stop pointing out the bad things men do"? Oh too bad, I'll keep doing that again and again. I love seeing little mysoginist incels losing their shit at these facts.

The chad man response: "Yeah, that's gross. It sucks that some men do that, those fuckers need to be hanged."

The incel creep response: "Reeeeh stop pointing it out! It's totally not true! Totally! I-I wouldn't rape a-anyone!"

This whole subreddit only has number two and I find it funny.

[–]AriShekelsteinDDS 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The fact that you have to use “Chad vs incel” examples shows that you are a mid wit who should not be taken seriously. You’re a strong independent woman who still wants men to do your dirty work for you.

Still, I’ll humor you.

Nobody is saying that men do not commit more sexual violence/harassment than women. Men are simply pointing out that women do bad sexual shit too and tend to get a pass.

You cry about people pointing out your noticing, which I’m sure makes you think you are smart, but you always jump into comments with your retarded whataboutism whenever people here call about bad behavior by women. That’s what I mean about whipping your hobby horse.

You are literally the thing you rail against.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Men are simply pointing out that women do bad sexual shit too and tend to get a pass.

Same logic as someone trying to discuss about dog attacks and you replying with: "nobody is saying that dogs don't bite people. But I am just pointing out that humans bite dogs too."

The thing is, you ARE one of those bad men I am talking about, so when discussing the issue, you try to victim blame. Disregard that women committing sexual assault or violence is such a ridiculous notion that nobody gives a fuck about women in men's bathrooms or women in men's sports. Nah, even if men commit 98% of violence worldwide, you try absolutely to talk about the 2% instead. Because you're one of those bad people.

Kinda like someone who has a badly trained, vicious dog that bites people. "Yeah you try to discuss about my dog being dangerous but let's talk about how people can be dangerous too, so stop telling me to train my dog!".

You hated the chad vs incel example because you were called out by it.

[–]AriShekelsteinDDS 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You need to get therapy for whatever happened to you.

People in your life must find you exhausting to deal with and likely feel that you have a tendency to make anything and everything about yourself.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Aha! I sure wish you were right, on both accounts. Being a exhausting person must be awesome, I wish I were that. Thank you. As for therapy, eh.... you're right, when "normal" people think being sexist or mysoginist is cool, those who don't think so are outsiders.

Oh, I almost forgot: P.S. stop projecting. When we're talking about sexual violence and you try to make it focus on the 2%, you're so very obviously the one who is trying to make everything about yourself. Oh, and when you hate women so much you can't stand discussing their issues, well, you're the one who needs a therapist.

[–]Titanic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe she got touched as a kid.

If so, we should feel sorry for her.

[–]LtGreenCo 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I'd buy it if he was gay or she was a fat grotesque and/or ugly woman but let's be real, a scenario like this wouldn't happen. And if it did, the next scene would have her behind the barracks legs in the air getting this dude's nut all over stomach. Very few men can resist the sexual advances of an attractive girl in uniform.

[–]wylanderuk 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So lets look at the picture, he is against a solid object object being hemmed in, his body langue is clearly showing that he is uncomfortable and defensive, she could also out rank him as you can't see her rank tabs and he has none so the assumption would be he is a private.

Lets not forget they are on duty as well.

So we have inappropriate actions while on duty, sexual assault (unwanted sexual touching) and if its not the first time sexual harassment.

If the roles were swapped then every fucking dipshit in this thread would be losing their shit over it...fucking dipshit hypocrites.

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Unrealistic. He would have nutted in her by now.

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Oh NO! She's... Attempting to flirt with him!! This is the greatest crime to ever have been committed!
These sexual harassment warnings are always caught in this strange space between: "This perfectly harmless act is being passed off as a literal crime" and "This overt, over the top nonsense that would never happen is being passed off as something that might occur and be confusing enough to need you to be reminded it's wrong"

[–]wylanderuk 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Unwanted sexual touching is what again? Oh yeah sexual assault.

You also cant see her rank tabs so it could also be abuse of power if she out ranks him.

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

There's nothing sexual about her touching. She's flirting. It's insane to draw these arbitrary lines in the sand with no specific criteria when it comes to flirting and declare them "Sexual Harassment".

Is it sexual if I touch you on the shoulder?
Is it sexual if I do it while smiling?
Is it sexual if I just use my finger tips and do it very lightly?
What if I do that while frowning?
What if I do that, but you like it?
What if you liked it yesterday, but don't like it today?
What if I do it to ask you to move to one side in a crowded room with lots of noise?
What if I do it in a crowded room with lots of noise but I linger on your shoulder as I pass?
What if it's not SO noisy I couldn't have asked by yelling, but I didn't want to interrupt the band/speaker?

You can't define the rules of flirting, and the rules only apply when the other person isn't attracted to you and enjoying it, which you won't know until you start flirting. She's not harming him, he knows how to say "No thank you.", and it's even more insane to think that, if you share a mutual attraction to someone, you can't do anything about it if you out-rank them because of "An abuse of power". The solution to all this isn't to declare ever harmless interaction to be possible "Sexual Harassment", it's to tell people to grow a spine and make it clear that something is unwelcome and let them deal with their own social situations like adults.

[–]wylanderuk 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Look at the fucking picture, there is no way you can frame the visual reaction as "him being into it". I agree the problem with current way sexual assault laws work that it comes into the its highly subjective. But you have to factor into how its currently used.

Also they are portrayed as being on fucking duty and being in the same chain of command for fucks sake. This is not a case of a civilian manager coming onto a employee but potentially a NCO or a Officer coming onto someone they have real command authority over.

Lets say he shuts her down and she takes it the wrong way, false complaint to his chain of command and that poor bastard is potentially facing a fucking court martial.

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Look at the fucking picture, there is no way you can frame the visual reaction as "him being into it". I agree the problem with current way sexual assault laws work that it comes into the its highly subjective. But you have to factor into how its currently used.

I didn't say he was into it. I said there's nothing sexual harassment about what's happening. If he's not into it, he's a big boy. He can say, and appears to be saying: "No thanks".

Problem solved. Adult attempted to flirt. Other adult said No. No harassment. No harm. She took her shot and missed.

The problem comes from presenting this harmless interaction as if it was Sexual Harassment. It would be a shame if his friends had told her he was into strong, confident women, and she had tried to appear strong and confident in her approach, and now she's up for dismissal because she wasn't his type, but if a brunette had done the same he would have welcomed it. It's not fair to label all efforts to approach the opposite sex like this. Just let the grown adults sort out grown adult social situations and, when that fails, then maybe you can look to HR.

Also they are portrayed as being on fucking duty and being in the same chain of command for fucks sake.

I don't care? Who cares? Are you not allowed to find people in your unit attractive? If I meet the woman of my dreams, but she's a private and I'm a lieutenant, even if she's basically waving me in and letting me know she's interested, I have to give up on that idea because of some chain of command? Why? It's already illegal to order her to sleep with me, why would it matter otherwise? She's not a child. She knows that it's against the rules to use my position to make her do things. What's the difference between that and me deciding I just don't like her face and making her life hell? If the person in a position of authority is an arsehole, it's always going to be a problem. If they aren't... Let them have social interactions like humans.

Lets say he shuts her down and she takes it the wrong way, false complaint to his chain of command and that poor bastard is potentially facing a fucking court martial.

What's the difference between that and her just deciding to file the same complaint because she hates him for any other number of reasons? Do we need rules about talking about your favourite football team? Or discussing politics? If she's an arsehole, she's an arsehole, and the problem extends beyond her desire to flirt. You get arseholes in positions of authority from time to time, and you either prove they misused their power or you deal with it another way. Same rule for flirting - She'll either take it well, or she's an arsehole. You can't make rules to dictate every facet of human interaction.

Basically, these "But what if..." scenarios are endless. What if she was attracted to him, but he's not attracted to her, but she's vindictive and slashes his tires??... Yeah, that's bad, but like abusing your power, there's already rules against that. The fact that it happened because of flirting shouldn't impact the situation. What if she likes Trump, but he was wearing a Democrat pin, so she slashed his tires?... It Could happen, so do we need rules around which political party you can talk about in public? What if she likes the local football team, but he likes the away team, so she slashes his tires?... It Could happen, so do we need rules about which sporting team you can support?

Any of these interactions could happen if she was an arsehole at any time, but we accept that as part of the story of life - Dealing with arseholes is hard and can be troubling, so you do your best. There's no reason to set up all these rules around trying to find a partner based on that already established life problem. It's the "Being an arsehole" part that's always been the issue, and we already have rules around that.

[–]CheeseWizard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Extremely memeable.

You can caption, "Hey babe, wanna hear Nickelback.", "Hey sweetie, wanna become a Reddit/Discord mod with me?", "Hey honey, don't you agree Tumblr is a nice platform?", and much more...

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That guy wishes