LOL WUTThe TERF purity spiral continues - now they’ve turned on Helen Pluckrose

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[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Helen Pluckrose is getting some truly vile messages from TERFs, TRA-level vile.

All because she took the classical liberal position of saying that men wearing dresses in public don’t pose a risk until they try to enter women’s spaces. Essentially the “wear whatever you want to” line that we operated under throughout the 90s and early 00s before Troonery got big.

Now they’re accusing her of all sorts including being a paedo-apologist and one of them said she was too ugly to rape, which is probably as vile as I’ve seen anything a TRA post.

[–]Jiminy 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Terfs are right. Slippery slope, don't give an inch to trans people, outlaw then wearing dresses. If they're busy fighting that topic they won't be as able to go into women's rooms or beat up girls in sports.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well don't expect much in the way of reasonable opinions to come from the radical feminists side. I might sympathize with the position that a man in a dress is a good sign the person is crazy and you want to stay away from them, but until they actually do something illegal we can't go all minority report on them.

Like how would you even try to legally codify what is acceptable "male" or "female" clothing. Seems impossible without going towards very strict laws that inhibit people's freedom of expression. Like sure you can do it like they do in most Muslim countries but I don't think the rad fems will like the realities of living in one of those places as a woman even if they are generally very good when it comes to keeping and maintaining female spaces free of men. It's easy really when you just declare all of public society a male place free of women.

[–]JulienMayfair 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

she was too ugly to rape

It is vile, but it's also hilarious to me how much feminists talk about "body positivity," but then, when the gloves come off, it's right back to junior high school level hierarchies of female status based on who's the prettiest.

It's the paradox of feminism. They all talk about "sisterhood," but then they're as vicious as possible to one another.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Rad fems aren't into body positivity are they? That's more of a lib fem stance. All of the people I know who insist how much they deeply love their fat curves and berate others for even mentioning losing a bit of weight/staying fit are all TRAs too.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm into body positivity so far as the concept means you don't have to look like a supermodel and you should just ignore societies ideal movie star body as a realistic expectation or even a desirable goal.

But that doesn't mean "let yourself go and be fat" it's all about good health, slightly fat? Not the end of the world but you should be a bit concerned about it. So fucking fat you can't walk places and it interferes with your daily life? Yeah that's a problem I think.

I'm fat but that's because I eat and drink too much. Never stopped me from climbing a mountain. If you can't walk a few miles without feeling like you've run a marathon there's a problem. If a few flights of stairs tires you out, there's a problem.

It's possible to be fat but still be pretty "healthy" all things considered. But it's usually a sign of either bad diet and or lack of exercise. If you're fat and active it's probably diet.

[–]wylanderuk 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yet again more proof that pretty much most of the complaints against transwomen are "playing pretend, women are not like that" is massive pile of rancid shite.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you have a link to what started this? I tried going back on Pluckrose' twitter but I lost the will when I'd been scrolling down for ages and hadn't even reached the day before yesterday.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It started with Genspect announcing that Pluckrose was joining their advisory board, what with her being an expert in Critical Social Justice. The RadFems took offence to her appointment immediately. The RadFems have been on a mission to purge the GC side of anyone who isn’t a RadFem of late, including James Lindsay (where they dug up old photos and videos of him doing martial arts to mock), Benjamin Boyce (where they tried to start a #metoo about him, and tried to get everyone to agree he was “creepy” to female guests on his podcast) and now Helen Pluckrose, who they’ve accused of being pro-paedophilia, pro-troon and pro-public fetish.

https://x.com/genspect/status/1747334360620012012?s=61&t=_0qmhQF5OVuhnwEse_2ylg

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I saw some uptight Islington People's Front type terf saying "Lindsay and Pluckrose simply don't understand radical feminism or Marxism." This is very much Jane Clare Jones's angle too.

This is why they are being attacked. They worked out why Marxism and communism, the movements which have killed the most people worldwide, are bad and are telling everyone.

This can't be allowed. They have to be shut down.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Marxism and communism, the movements which have killed the most people worldwide,

IDK why people pull out this talking point all the time. It's really dumb and only somewhat even tries to make sense of you attribute every death under a communist government to "communism" and then simultaneously refuse to attribute any death under a different form of government to that system of government. Like i could easily blame every death in the US to capitalism using the same premise. Your insurance company denied cancer treatment and you died as a result? Capitalism.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well no you see in capitalism you have the freedom to die so it's your fault if you do. But in communism you don't have freedom so if you die it's the governments fault. Duh.

[–]slavdude0 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'd say a faggot in a dress is statistically more dangerous. If he's fucked in the head enough to wear a dress and call himself a woman, who knows what other ideas are inside that retarded head.

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I spent 20 years working in academia. The nastiest fights, by far, I ever witnessed in person were between female professors around feminist topics. They would rip each other to shreds. You'd go to a talk, and after the talk, during the question and answer session, one of them would stand up in the audience and go after the speaker. They'd start yelling at each other. I never saw two male professors behave this way.

A friend of mine used to joke about the bullshit feminist fantasy that "magic peace rays" would shoot out of women's vaginas and turn the world into a matriarchal paradise.

This is also where we started to lose the ethos of principled disagreement and rational discussion of controversial ideas at universities. It was a male intellectual tradition that you could argue things out while still abiding by rules of conduct and mutual respect. The more women, especially feminists, that entered academia, the more anyone who disagreed with you became evil. Women have a lot to do with how we lost freedom of speech on campuses.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

there's literally a term for academic politics being so vicious because the stakes are so small; also why the fields like linguistics and anthro wave the red banner more than, say, a historian who's interviewed actual guerrillas: so they'll rip each other apart because someone didn't agree that Chester Cheeto's "Black-coded" and try to drive them to suicide (the world's at stake, ya know), but still have that fat pension waiting for them at 55

that's why the raddest fems got so barmy: like, "before the Indo-European invasion in 2000 BCE the peaceful Matriarchy reproduced by parthenogenesis until monotheism and PIV rape were imposed by war daddy why did you leave us FAAAATHEEEERRRRR"

also why they were so THOROUGHLY knocked out of the saddle when they were ousted 2014-5--one day everyone's bobbleheading along that men's shelters need to be shut down with riots, 30 years of bevies of wide-eyed undergrads hanging on to every word as gospel--and then it was gone, as though it'd never happened; let's just say that these aren't theories that have been defended against other professors

[–]JulienMayfair 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

that's why the raddest fems got so barmy: like, "before the Indo-European invasion in 2000 BCE the peaceful Matriarchy reproduced by parthenogenesis until monotheism and PIV rape were imposed by war daddy why did you leave us DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD"

It's just another reiteration of the Garden of Eden, filtered through Jean Jacques Rousseau. It's an overall narrative that surged in popularity in academia in the 1990s. It was all perfect until [insert oppressor's name here] arrived.

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

same story with the ultranationalists/hoteps--"so the Cucutenians/Vedics/Frieslanders/Nubians invented everything, even flying machines and Stargate energy weapons, built every pyramid on earth by melting the rock, and were the origin of all myths in history, but then were swamped by invaders and left zero records except some charming-looking building foundations and a poem written by an amateur folklorist in 1842?"

also why the hoteps always dress in Egyptian or Zulu regalia, mix in Swahili words, insist they're "Moors," pretend Wakanda's real (if it's based on Uganda it'll have no unobtanium and get it all from those child-slave open-mine pits in the country next door ...)--but never any of the actual cultures they came from (the Guinea to Angola coast)

[–]artfunk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And Helen explains it all

[–]Datachost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Her stance on public kink boils down to "You'll live, suck it up". She's an idiot for that alone