TRANSGENDERThe strongest predictor of transgender status on the 2021 census in England and Wales is….the proportion of people in your area that don’t speak English.

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[–]notafed 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

"The problem began with the question itself. The ONS did not ask a plain question like: ‘Are you transgender?’ Instead, it chose a convoluted formulation: ‘Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?’ "

And there it is. A "Dark Pattern" designed to get the response that they wanted.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I think it wasn’t the ONS per se to blame but the various lobby groups who insisted on a trans question. They did worse to the Scottish census, they messed with the basic sex question rendering that dataset highly dubious. The ONS at least managed to keep the sex data for England and Wales clean.

From the article:

How did the ONS manage to produce such implausible data on gender identity? In ‘a case study of policy capture’, the statisticians were guided by lobby groups like Stonewall. It is surely no coincidence that the gender question replicated, with minor variation, Stonewall’s definition of ‘cisgender’: ‘Someone whose gender identity is the same as the sex they were assigned at birth’.

The question, according to the ONS, was ‘evaluated via community testing at LGBT History Month events’. But did the ONS consider how immigrants whose first language is not English – and who may be blissfully ignorant of esoteric concepts like ‘cisgender’ – might understand the question, or rather could misunderstand it?

[–]bife_de_lomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You say that, but one of the heads of the ONS is a trans identifying man, whose CV is a long list of captured government departments:

https://twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1645077923496353792?s=19&t=VDIj8lyzxiF2howP7hj0GA

I reckon the ONS itself was deeply involved in the agenda-setting

[–]bife_de_lomo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A breakdown of the CV

https://twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1645192897078210563/photo/1

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Eesh!

[–]bife_de_lomo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know, right? Every layer you peel back it gets a little worse.

I remember when I first peaked I just kept thinking "this sounds like a total conspiracy theory", but nope, it's all out there, all organised and directed.

I appreciate all my fellow Saiditors for being there!

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I try to not fall instantly into thinking that decisions are malign rather than just mistaken, stupidity rather than bad faith, but it’s becoming harder and harder to do that -particularly with the lgbT issues.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did a very small amount of work on it. From memory they originally wanted to have separate ones like "what is your sex" followed by "does this match your gender" but there was a lot of pushback.

Same on a few other questions where they wanted it worded as simply as possible but got ignored. God knows how useful that would be for a lot of our forms as it is. I know my current job is actively fighting to get "please specify previous abodes" to "please list your last address or addresses" because one is more clear and we waste a lot of time on forms where people don't understand what things mean.

Clarity is important but so many seem to miss that and it leads to a lot of problems.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Did you realise that one in every 67 Muslims is transgender? That adults with no educational qualifications are almost twice as likely to identify as transgender as university graduates? That the London boroughs of Brent and Newham are home to higher proportions of transgender people than Brighton and Oxford? These are some of the astonishing results from the 2021 census of England and Wales, which was the first in the world to ask about gender identity.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) released detailed census data for England and Wales on Tuesday. These data deepen the problems raised by Alice Sullivan, professor of sociology at University College London, and myself after initial results were released in January. As the census is the gold standard of data collection, to query its numbers seems sacrilegious. The results for gender identity, however, are scarcely credible.

The problem began with the question itself. The ONS did not ask a plain question like: ‘Are you transgender?’ Instead, it chose a convoluted formulation: ‘Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?’

The ONS has also finally this week released customised data showing the tabulation of gender identity by proficiency in English. As predicted, those who speak English ‘not well’ or ‘not well at all’ were most likely to be counted as transgender: 2.2 per cent of them, compared to 0.4 per cent of those whose main language is English (or Welsh in Wales). Adults whose main language is not English made up only 10 per cent of the overall population, but according to the census they contributed 29 per cent of the transgender numbers.

This is a big problem as the census data is used by local governments to determine funding for various things and this could lead to funds being misallocated.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

This is a big problem as the census data is used by local governments to determine funding for various things and this could lead to funds being misallocated.

Gee, I'm sure there's absolutely nobody who could take advantage of that sort of thing, right?

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Come on, it would be hilarious if they built a Muslim Transgender Community Health Centre in an area with zero Transgenders of any religion…well I’d laugh.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I'd get my laughs from the ongoing (and entirely wrong) belief that Muslims are cool with QWERTY people. They're really not.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I know. I worked in a school with a very large percentage of muslim families and everyone was cool, but every now and then something would slip out revealing just how conservative and fundamentalist they were.

The worst instance was when I had to deal with a muslim girl who was bawling her eyes out after lunchtime. When she finally told me what had happened it turned out some of the other Muslim girls had called her a Christian slut…

Needless to say the devout Catholic headteacher was not impressed by this and upon questioning it turned out that that was how these girls’ mothers talked about any woman that wasn’t a Muslim who wore the hijab.

After that I realised that although the vast majority play nice, as soon as the chance arises things could get ugly - which means teaching things like British values (tolerance, democracy, rule of law and freedom of speech) is imperative as these second and third generation Muslim immigrants turn out to be more strict and conservative than their parents and grandparents.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm going to be circumspect about the exact details here because this is secondhand information. But someone I know was working in UK television news in the aftermath of an islamic terrorist attack. They were involved in the interview of a prominent 'moderate' muslim leader. This guy said all the nice pacifistic things about how upset the muslim community was, how they condemned the attacks, were just as upset as everyone else, would never encourage terrorism, etc. However, he walked away and still miked went to talk with two muslim boys who had been watching the interview. They asked why he had said those things and while I don't know the exact wording, it was clear that he did not condemn the attacks to his community and was instead reasonably supportive of them. The language used about English/British people was contemptuous if not outright hateful.

When I was told about this, I asked if this would be broadcast I was told no, because it would be too inflammatory and could lead to attacks on the muslim community. I asked if the video was shared with the police/MI5 and was told probably not, as it wasn't something they didn't know and the tv company didn't want to draw any attention to it. So it was just ignored. The moderate, friendly muslim leader hates the people of the country that welcomes him and holds him up as a good example of peaceful muslims.

And the real kicker to this story, is that years on, the person who told me what they overheard is the wokest, of the woke. Super-pro immigration and utterly condemns local people who raise issues, including vicious sex attacks on women by male muslim immigrants.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Doesn't surprise me.

I don't think anything does after hearing about the Ukrainian refugees in Sweden that got told to Dress conservatively to not 'provoke' men from other cultures.

https://rmx.news/article/ukrainian-women-in-sweden-warned-not-to-dress-in-a-way-that-could-provoke-muslim-men/

Personally I'd rather keep the women, let them dress how they want and remove the rapist scum as clearly they wouldn't be a good fit for the country anyway. If the men there can be provoked by women wearing normal clothes they don't deserve to be a part of that society but no. Protect the men apparently.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the person who told me what they overheard is the wokest, of the woke

Sounds like this person could tell which way the winds were blowing.