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[–]notafed 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If by "we", meaning general society, it's simple: "we" have decided that insanity is the new sanity, everything is relative, and nothing is concrete.

It's politics, not health, that's governing this conversation.

[–]alladd 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Because it's impossible to help people who don't want it. You can ask the same question about addicts. Why don't they want help? Don't they know there's something better? No, they really don't, and they don't care.

[–]IMissPorn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We do offer addicts help though. The fact that most don't take advantage of it is a separate issue. Some do, and the services exist. But if I were suffering from gender, I don't even know where I'd go to get that kind of therapy.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You don't. There's no real safe places to get therapy or talk out those kinds of feelings. Never have been. If you're confused about it you can either go with the affirming types who will push you into the transition path. Or you shut up and do and say nothing.

It's quite bad because we don't really provide the common sense answers anymore. It's totally fine if you aren't happy with your body, hell it's normal, every kid going through puberty feels that way I think, it's also totally fine to be unhappy with your sex I guess? I mean I don't really know what that means but if you say, don't like menstruation or something, don't like how your back hurts from breast growth, don't like uncomfortable unwelcome erections or hair growth, whatever the consequences of puberty are, congratulations, you're normal.

I think in western society there's just long been this really, I want to say disgust, abhorrence, of basic bodily functions. So far as we consider words like piss and shit to be curse words. Sex is another one where there seems to be this just prudish attitude towards the whole thing that varies from people who want to bury their heads in the ground and pretend it doesn't exist to the opposite who think anything short of brave new world is an imposition on their freedom. All mad really.

So between the hardline conservative views where they try to have the strict gender rolls but tend to want to pretend sex doesn't exist at least to the kids, and the hardline liberal types that say everyone is the same and that all sexual expressions are equally valid, I think we've basically created the kind of environment where kids grow up, experience unhappiness, and think "wow there's something wrong with me" instead of just accepting that it's normal to feel unhappy. It's normal to to be like totally psyched about everything. And it's normal to be uncomfortable with yourself as you grow. Those feelings will pass eventually.

So I don't know really how you help those kids in today's world. I think you need to start asking some really uncomfortable questions about why they feel like they are the other sex, and I think the answers are often going to come down to other unrelated criteria, depression due to feeling unloved, unwanted, inadequate, for whatever reason. Could be due to being raised in strict gender rolled societies, I can see why a masculine woman or an effeminate man in a strict Muslim society may feel they are the opposite sex because they don't conform with the social ideal. Could be that they are merely gay and can't accept that aspect of themselves. Or maybe they are neither and just don't feel fulfilled in life and are desperately searching for answers. Maybe the comparison to addictions isn't that far off. Alcohol is an answer to that feeling many people find, though it's neither a good answer or a long term fix. Some seek it out through sex I think. Even marriage in the traditional sense as many prefer to settle with a suboptimal partner rather than face the world alone.

I'm not really sure what the answers to fix the issues are. I think that society in general is deeply broken. A lot of people are coming out of broken homes, families, into broken school systems, broken societies, broken economies, broken governments. And everyone wants to find some meaning in their existence as the current cultural zeitgeist of amoral materialist nihilism is hardly satisfying beyond the initial high you get from understanding that your problems aren't really as big a deal in the big picture of things as they seem to you, which is a good thing to know but it doesn't actually fix your problems.

I think in the end the only real answer to this is "community". Not big C cultural utopian revolutionary bullshit. None of this we are all equal and property is theft and nonsense like that. You need friends, you need family, you need your "church" or temple, or university, you need some job or task that makes you feel useful, you need all these aspects of your life working together. That's hard to do, but I think at some point our society started to really lose communal ties, the communists say it's due to capitalism, I think they may be right, the economic system has created a world where interpersonal relationships are secondary to profit relationships, yet that isn't entirely the whole picture. The communists were idiots who thought the state could somehow take the roll as the sole communal authority bypassing all other ties, but what is the state except a different kind of corporate organization? Albeit a larger one without voluntary association?

No the only thing to do for it I think, is to have a party. Get together with your neighbors, have a feast. Build relationships, rebuild social ties from the bottom up. And let the gender harpies and the antisocial crazies be miserable and sad by themselves.

[–]notafed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem is compounded in some jurisdictions where that kind of therapy could be interpreted as "conversion therapy" which is illegal.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We do offer addicts help though

Many places offer addicts treatment which are largely ineffectual. The way you're framing it makes it seem like there's a solution people just aren't taking.

where I'd go to get that kind of therapy.

Therapy is also ineffective. Not just for addiction, in general.

I'm not trying to be oppositional or nitpicky, but there's a number of problems we keep trying to address with measures that don't work, and we can't move forward until we acknowledge what we're doing obviously isn't the answer.

[–]xoenix 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I find Jennifer Bilek's research most compelling. It's an artificial construct of medical industry billionaires and AGPs. Flooding money into LGB groups to accept the T, funding gender departments at universities, funding clinics, funding WPATH, advocating international ESG.

However I suspect that even they may be surprised by the huge and dedicated cult they've created. Then again, these guys are old and may remember a thing or two about 1960s radicalism and how to market it.

My own theory is that what's also been driving things lately is the number of rich and powerful with trans kids, or trans activist kids that they are controlled by, driven by the desperation that this may be an insane fad and an unforgivable mistake. Not to mention every fool who's ever doubled down on this madness publicly under their real name.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not to mention every fool who's ever doubled down on this madness publicly under their real name.

You'll see all of them scatter like roaches when the lights come on when this crap gets treated the way we treat lobotomies.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Calling them out will be labeled antisemitic. They'll say the science has evolved and they were only doing what the medical industry said was right. Just like Covid.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm a drug company and healthcare provider. I can either, give people counseling or spiritual guidance or whatever you want to call it, have them learn to be happy with themselves, and maybe sell at best a few months or years of one and one or group sessions with some therapist telling them crap that you can figure out by common sense or just about anywhere else, and face fierce competition from the self help market.

Or I can provide a treatment regiment that involves a lifetime prescription to drugs the patient will need until the end of time and a number of expensive and highly invasive cosmetic surgeries that will also require follow up surgeries to deal with the complications that will surely arise ensuring a long and steady income stream.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or I can provide a treatment regiment that involves a lifetime prescription to drugs the patient will need until the end of time and a number of expensive and highly invasive cosmetic surgeries that will also require follow up surgeries to deal with the complications that will surely arise ensuring a long and steady income stream.

Sounds good, hook me up with painkillers.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I’ll tel you what, cutting off your sex organs should not be an option. You also piss with these organs. And it turns you into a lifelong disabled person.

As long as you are maiming your self, it should be illegal. Unless we can hang out afterwards. I should have to take care of a self Maimer.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lets not be hasty here, these kooks who want to sterilize themselves should be able to for the betterment of humankind.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What if it ends up being your son? Like rogue wife. They want to chemically castrate your daughter?

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The wife would never do that. I'd be incredibly disappointed in a child pursuing that foolishness, but I'd do everything I could to deprogram them. Social media and public education is the vector for this psychosis, remove those and hope the kid goes back to normal. That's for other people's kids.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yea. I understand. I have no control over my children. There’s no respect. I think I’m going to abandon all by children and start again.

[–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've heard there is a test either in the works are available that can tell you if you actually have gender dysmorphia/dysphoria. I wonder if you gave that test to someone who was either diagnosed or just thought they were trans, would they accept the results? And even if they did, how many would still pursue transitioning?

I've also recently seen the term "transmed" indicating a trans person who is transitioning to treat gender dysmorphia/dysphoria, which would lead me to believe there are trans people who do not consider themselves to be treating anything (I think this is non-binary people including themselves in the trans population?).

Finally, why have we not pursued a cure for gender dysmorphia/dysphoria instead of simply treating the symptoms of the disorder by feeding into the delusion (again, if you believe this is a biological/psychological disorder). For example, you wouldn't encourage a schizophrenic to believe the voices they're hearing are real. Or you wouldn't ignore cancer treatment in favor of plastic surgery to make someone suffering from cancer appear healthy.

If it is a biological disorder, surely there's a root cause that could be reversed. And if it's a psychological disorder, is there any bio-chemical root cause that can be treated? Or medication that could help someone adjust to their biological body? Or is it just a money grab by Big Pharma because transitioning is extremely lucrative?

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I've heard there is a test either in the works are available that can tell you if you actually have gender dysmorphia/dysphoria. I wonder if you gave that test to someone who was either diagnosed or just thought they were trans, would they accept the results? And even if they did, how many would still pursue transitioning?

Well, insiders have found this is the test to apply what people have gender dysphoria's description of someone who has it:

You have a great need for other people to like and admire you. You have a great deal of unused capacity, which you have not turned to your advantage. Disciplined and self-controlled outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure inside. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You pride yourself as an independent thinker and do not accept others statements without satisfactory proof. You have a tendency to be critical of yourself. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. At times you are extroverted, sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, reserved. While you have some personality weaknesses, you are generally able to compensate for them.

[–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like astrology. Congrats! You're an Aquarius!

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because we don't care.

[–]cephyrious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Society has for some very strange reason decided that this anomembra nervosa is best to affirm. To people who remain sane, this is like telling people with anorexia nervosa "Yes, you are fat. You should skip dinner!"

[–]handbananasrevenge 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Same reasons why anything else that’s degenerate and dysgenic is allowed to continue to exist.

Money and power.