r/honesttransgender had the most sane post of the last 24 hours and it was deleted by the moderators: "Maybe it's too late, and this is what the trans movement has become, and this is how it ends."

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Transgenderism would have never caught hold in previous decades, and by suddenly I'm referring to the point at which is took hold and gained traction. Why now? I think things really got crazy starting in 2016.

[–]Datachost 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They'd already made some serious gains decades ago, let's not forget many countries have had the legal right to change your sex on official documents a decade or more before they legalised same sex marriage. As for why it's exploded over the last decade, a mixture of social media allowing for social contagions to spread even faster and to allow a variety of freaks to find each other when previously they would have been isolated cases and would have learned to become normal(ish). As well as a number of charities desperate to keep the gravy train going after gay marriage was pushed through. Look at how many charities which previously focussed on gay rights now heavily push trans stuff, often to the detriment of their previous causes. Then of course there's the financial aspect, both on an industrial level and an individual level (certain high profile billionaires pushing it for their own interests).

[–]ClassroomPast6178 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. The Gender Recognition Act 2004 allowed people to alter their legal gender after a set of qualifications.

Now they’re trying to get rid of the qualifications. They’ve played a long game, well over 25 years of lobbying for the fetish to be recognised as “real”.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Social media, gay rights organisations getting gay marriage and having no reason to exist any more pivoting to troonery, munchausen-by-proxy mothers getting social clout from transing their kids.

With FTM troons you also have the much higher chance of social contagion, which is a thing that is far more powerful amongst teen girls than it is among teen boys and why the spikes in the numbers of teen girls seeking gender “medicine” far outweighs the numbers of teen boys - men seem to Troon out later having developed their AGP fetish. The spike in girls is what called attention to the UK’s Tavistock Clinic and brought about its soon to happen closure, it was a seriously suspicious statistic.

I suspect that had there been no social media (twitter, FB, insta and discord) then there would be very few FTM troons.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=transgender&hl=en-US It really spiked in 2015ish.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Looking back, the building blocks of this have been being placed for a while. The pseudo-feminist 'theybe' trend laid some of the groundwork for the obsession with gender. The adoption of social media allowed bad ideas to spread rapidly and conditioned people for groupthink. Caitlin Jenner appears to have been a tipping point wherein everyone got the message that trans was cool (even though Jenner is hated by the trans mob now).

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

John Money was the beginning of it. It's no surprise to me that under his care, two adults died from suicide after he experimented on them, just like 41 percent do today. It never caught on until fairly recently. There were always trannies, but they were truly marginalized back then and were out of the spotlight.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

two adults died from suicide after he experimented on them

They weren't adults when he was doing his pedo incest experiments.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In some ways they were probably more accepted. There were positive representations of transexuals in the media. I remember loving 'Too Wong Foo Thanks For Everything Julie Newmar'. Now those movies couldn't get made today because the actors identify as men. I encountered transexual men in the office and in public and you were just quietly respectful. Yeah it's a bit funny, and they're a bit sad, but they weren't imposing themselves on anyone so everyone just kinda minded their own business. Nowadays most of the trans people I see look like they're spoiling for a fight, or watch way too much porn.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There were definitely a lot of building blocks.

You cannot deny that the tabula rasa/blank slate nonsense of the social constructionists didn’t have a massive role in developing gender identity theory and feminists were massively involved in pushing that stuff, because it removed all the pesky biological sex differences - meaning all inequalities were down to patriarchy - which complicated their arguments about women and men. But in heavily pushing that shit they opened the door for the devil of troonery and invited him into the stall with his ladypenis. Are they to blame for it all, absolutely not, but I still have feminist friends who adamantly refuse to admit there are biological differences between men and women (except for the baby making equipment).

There will no doubt be future PhD theses written on the causal elements of troonery, and someone will synthesise all the disparate social sciences and humanities pieces that lead us down this road. Hopefully they also compile a list of all the people who bear responsibility for the industrial abuse of children that it is bringing about.