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[–]clownworlddropout 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I propose a new term, NERF: nonce exclusionary real females

It's NERF or nothing!

[–]UncleWillard56 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I remember a discussion we had in Freshman English, this is years ago. A black student took issue with a definition of a word, can't even remember what it was but it was pretty innocuous, stating that "well, white people wrote the dictionary so everything in it is from their point of view." Myself and the professor argued that you need to have an agreement on language to a certain point or all words lose their meaning. How would we operate if the word for "car" meant something different to everyone based on race, let alone all the other facets of a person? We'd be unable to communicate. And why would anyone assume that when the word was defined, there was some racial element at play and not just the pragmatic effort to agree on definitions. Not to mention all the refinements and updates dictionaries go through.

This just makes me feel like that black kid won. Words have lost all common meaning anymore. Any word, thought, idea can now be branded with whatever you choose to believe or whatever supports your narrative. Gay is just one demographic, but here we are, adding words to dictionaries and changing the rules of language just to cater what is estimated at ~10% of the population. Where does it end?

[–]Newzok 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not even 10%, but still, growing due to social media. Gay is done with already, all this other stuff is derived from dumb social media takes on Critical Theory and is about transgressing against any sense of order or authority. And of course it's funded by by various interest groups connected to the American establishment/govt.

Think the feds were only censoring shit related to covid and the Democrats? This stuff was actively promoted. Same all over. It's depressing.

[–]Dzonatan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where does it end?

When you get violent. Why muslisms dont have those issues in their countries? Because they get violent.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Whatever. This is totally spam! It's lubricated! Well, I'm phasing.

[–]QueenBread 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There's nothing wrong in adding words to the dictionary, when those words become commonly used. It's, you know..... what dictionaries do. In fact, they kinda HAVE to. A dictionary's purpose is exactly that. Someone hears "pangender" or "terf" and wonders wtf that means, and that's why we have dictionaries.

Now..... a very, very different thing is the connotation they give in the explanation of the word. Is it true they chose not to mention that terf is an insult?

[–]ClassroomPast6178 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They chose not to blanket label terf as derogatory because they found enough instances where it wasn’t used in that way.

The OED team elected not to label “Terf” as derogatory on the grounds that it is not universally considered so. (“Gender-critical”, considered by some a more neutral term, was added to the OED earlier this year.) Instead, “typically regarded as derogatory” is included in the definition’s small print, which also notes that the coiner of “Terf” (the OED dates it to 2008 in a blog, hoydenabouttown.com) originally intended it to be a neutral description.

That’s the explanation

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Mmmh.

[–]BISH 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There's nothing wrong in adding words to the dictionary, when those words become commonly used. It's, you know..... what dictionaries do. In fact, they kinda HAVE to.

You're a teahouse.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Now, if thousands and thousands of people keep using the phrase "you're a teahouse", obviously giving it some sort of meaning (even as an absurdist joke), then that gets added to the dictionary. Btw, I have TWO PhD in foreign languages. Not that it means anything these days.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

So?

The Oxford English dictionary isn’t like the Académie Française, it doesn’t lay down the law regarding the language (no English dictionary does that) it merely reports usage and meaning.

They have lexicographers who scour English language sources and pick out words that are actually being used and record them and their meanings. A very useful function.

I’m glad that English isn’t controlled like French is by the Académie Française, their authoritarian diktats always struck me as a bitch move by people scared that their fee-fees will be hurt by someone saying computer instead of ordinateur.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Doesn’t surprise me, everything I’ve heard about the Québécois is that they have enough chips on their shoulders to keep them in poutine for eternity.

Spain has one too, Real Academia Española and I have heard from Spanish friends (one an actual Spanish Spanish Language teacher) that they’re just as mental as France’s Académie Française.

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

funny thing is non-Quebec French Canadians have the same reputation as the rest of Canadians (Minnesota Nice, but even stronger): the chest-thumping is confined to one province NATION; it was literally so bad Quebecois had to be deployed to Afghanistan to make them realize there were more oppressed places on Earth than federally-subsidized far-east Canada (also a separatist tried to kill the PM but he or his wife stood ready with a big stone sculpture of a loon, which is the most Canadian sentence I've ever typed)

[–]Dirkpytt 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Earlier this year a community I am part of had to deal with people from Quebec, two streamers I follow since their YouTube days said they had to move out of the province because people would not stop harassing his wife for speaking English on their lawn and in reply they tried getting our subreddit shut down for racism, is Quebec even real

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the separatists then blamed Jews and even told Mohawk and Cree leaders they were free to leave if they didn't like what they had planned for the new republic

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So a Tomboy?

[–]LearningTheLand 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The world has turned insane.

[–]Dirkpytt 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Imagine crying and whining that bisexual didn't include everything so you create pansexual only to now declare whatever the fuck multisexual is

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"ambisextrous"

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

TERF has been around for years. I thought Oxford Dictionary already added it.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The New Statesman has a write up on the decision about adding Terf to the OED in June 2022. Interestingly, they chose not to designate it as derogatory.

They also have this explanation of the work they do.

The OED has been undergoing revision since 1993, when work on a third edition began – a mammoth undertaking that is the subject of a long read in this week’s New Statesman. The OED’s lexicographers update existing entries to include new meanings and reflect modern sensibilities, as well as adding entirely new words – in the process creating a lexical record of the way language, and culture, is changing. Their progress is published quarterly online.

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)