TRANSGENDERBring your best arguments for or against the concept of allowing people to change their gender.

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[–]IMissPorn 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Gender is made up nonsense, so of course people should be allowed to change it, same as changing religion, or any other made up nonsense you happen to believe in. What you can't change is your sex. And to be clear, that's can't not "aren't allowed to". It's not possible. Sex is what matters for most things, like sports for instance, and most people would say it matters for relationships. Of course if your fellow adherents to gender ideology want to base decisions on made up nonsense instead of sex, they are free to do so among themselves, just don't try to force that on me or other nonbelievers.

[–]clownworlddropout[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I think gender has a causal relationship with sex so isn't just made up nonsense. Gender norms are a reflection of our sex-based roles and our sex-based roles evolved to facilitate cooperation between the sexes in producing successful offspring. This is why sexual dimorphism exists in the first place! The burdens of reproduction vary greatly between the sexes, so a successful life trajectory varies greatly between the sexes, and so different morphology, different temperament, different behaviour all exist between the sexes to better succeed at their respective life trajectories. In mind, body, and soul*; men and women are distinct entities.

*excuse my romanticism, I don't mean a literal "soul" here.

[–]IMissPorn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

In mind, body, and soul; men and women are distinct entities.

Ah, gendered souls. Sound familiar. Do you also accept that one of these "souls" could sometimes not match the sex of the body it's attached to? If not, I'm not clear on the purpose of introducing extra entities.

[–]clownworlddropout[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I use soul metaphorically, as our being or self. Maybe spirit would have been a less loaded term to use.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People keep saying there's a difference between soul and spirit, but are never able to explain what it is. The only thing I've noticed is that people tend to think of a soul as part of a living person, and a spirit as disembodied.

[–]IMissPorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Alright, but it still seems like an unnecessary complication.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Everyone has gone full circle at this point.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And it's SHIT. There's literally no point except to make us mindless cattle. Yes it can be good for the majority of people, but even then it bars off better options.

[–]clownworlddropout[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Whether you think it's shit or not, it exists all the same. Besides, I don't think gender roles are as limiting or as stringently enforced as you are implying.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was referring to the natural limitations. Social stereotypes are a secondary issue.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are correct, which is among the many reasons I'll say good riddance when this world reaches its end.