SANITY[Sanity] NHS to close Tavistock child gender identity clinic. The UK is waking up.

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[–]beerghal 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

This coupled with Maya Forstater and Alison baileys wins in court is a good sign 🙌 hopefully this signals an end of the gender nonsense

[–]bife_de_lomo 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Unfortunately it's not the end, the Tavistock is being replaced with a network of local centres with an aim to reduce waiting times.

[–]jet199 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

But focusing on mental health rather than physical transition.

[–]brimshaeBased Woodchipper Merchant 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's what they say. Let's see what they actually do.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think it is a signal that the tide is turning in the UK. Places like the US and especially Canada have some ways to go. At least in the US, the bid for Lia Thomas' woman of the year nomination has ended, so that's another mark of sanity at least. Out of the three countries, Canada definitely seems to be the most far gone.

I think we still have a long way to go to ending gender nonsense, but this is a good sign that the tide actually might be turning somewhat. There are other signs of pushback against wokeness too. Here in the US, a university just pushed back against a student petition to ban Clarence Thomas from speaking at a law seminar, which is the first instance I've heard of a university pushing back against the woke student mob like this. Hopefully more to follow.

[–]HiddenFox 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

As long a Little Castro remains PM of Canada the wokeness will continue full steam ahead. He holds nothing but contempt for anyone who thinks differently then him. Like he said about people who refused to get a COVID shot.

And we have to make a choice, in terms of leaders, in terms of the country. Do we tolerate these people? -Justin Trudeau, Sep. 16, 2021

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah that man is a total piece of shit.

[–]Datachost 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think in terms of the society at large in the UK the outcome of the Bailey case will have a larger effect, and here's why: Yes, the charges against Stonewall were dropped, but effectively on a technicality. Basically the reasoning was, GCC didn't have to take their advice. But that's their whole raison d'etre right now, handing out advice on how best to comply with equality law, especially pertaining to gender, their whole thing is going above and beyond what the EHRC recommends. But as the judgement stated, in going above and beyond in one area you risk violating the law in another area, that's the problem with equality law, it's a delicate scale in a good number of areas. So what exactly do Stonewall do for businesses? If their advice leaves the business open to litigation and after the fact they're just going to shrug and say "Well you didn't have to follow our advice", why should businesses pay them in the first place? I honestly think the Bailey case was destined to be a PR disaster for them, win or lose, as soon as it was determined she was allowed to go ahead with it, because either way it suggested there was some legitimacy to the claim Stonewall were handing out incorrect advice pertaining to equality law

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup, exactly. The future implications for this case are huge.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is only good news if the replacement services make changes so that they no longer practice affirmation-only, keep strict patient records, maintain follow-up and only provide treatment in accordance with the evidence-base. There also needs to be funding for neutral point-of-view and publicly available research both into outcomes of treatment and looking at why there is a surge in teenage girls claiming to be boys (and the researchers must be free to publish politically difficult findings and not allowed to bury results they find inconvenient)

If they don’t do these things then all that will happen is that they will speed up the autist to trans pipeline, and, for the most part, young women will be hurt.

The fact that Stonewall is happy with this makes me very suspicious.

We also need some legislation that makes your NHS number unchangeable. One of the reasons why there’s a lack of follow-up data, in a system where follow-up for every other medical condition is simple, is that they allowed people to change their NHS number when they altered their gender on official records, making it possible to disappear from follow-up.

[–]Datachost 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

From what I've read it seems like the local services taking over, is in part due to a feeling that a lot of them could provide more precise, or at least more specialised, psychological help, which is definitely a step in the right direction. Basically part of the Cass review advised that dysphoria may have a number of causes and that localised/personalised help may help solve that. For now I'm going to say it seems like more of a positive step than a negative one

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. One step at a time. I think we all wish there was more being done, but sometimes you just have to take the small wins when you can.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here is another article that delves more into the criticisms of the NHS approach to gender. The fact that articles and interim reviews like these are being published by major UK news sources, as opposed to being subjected to more censoring, shows that that people are challenging the narrative on a large scale. Considering what we are dealing with I take that as a win, no matter how small. Baby steps.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well done UK. So far been doing the most to counter tranny cultism within the Anglosphere.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Never thought I'd be grateful for the United "TERF Island" Kingdom haha

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Me neither. I hope this TERF influence spreads over to Ireland. Ireland has a habit of adopting most of the UK's trends, for better or for worse.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hasn’t Ireland had gender Self-ID for a couple of years now? Around the same time that Teresa May’s government in the UK was considering it, but ultimately ditched it, didn’t Ireland actually pass it without much opposition?

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. It was passed in 2015, when the public was focused on gay marriage. Most people here don't know that we have a self-ID law.

[–]Adventurous_Ad6212 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh didnt you hear its just so they can build a newer "forced transition loiscencing center" where all the males ages 6months and up will be given life saving hormones against their will.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Shutting that one down and opening up a bunch of others. This isn't victory; it's metastasis.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Tavistock has faced increasing pressure in recent years. There were rising referrals and a long waiting list but at the same time some former staff were raising concerns about the way it operated.

Then, former patient Keira Bell went to court saying she had not been challenged enough about her decision at 16 to take drugs that began her transition from female to male - a decision she later regretted. Earlier this year, Dr Cass's report said there was a lack of understanding about why the type of patients the clinic was seeing was changing, with more female to male patients and more autistic children. Dr Cass also highlighted inconclusive evidence to back some of the clinical decision making.

The clinic's imminent closure will be a source of worry for other young people wanting support with gender dysphoria. The hope is the services that replace it will be more helpful, useful and efficient.

Based on this article, at least part of the reason the clinic shut down was because of concerns over its practices and rushing children too quickly into medically transitioning via puberty blockers, hormones, etc. Detransitioners' stories are being made more and more public, and there is more whistleblowing. I would say that is a sign that people are waking up to these horrific gender practices. It took several years of complacency and brainwashing via gender ideology to get to the screwed up point we're at - it's most likely going to take just as long if not longer to get ourselves out of this mess. One step at a time.

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    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's not so much a huge win so much as it's merely a step in the right direction. This huge clinic is being shut down to be replaced with two smaller ones. However, one of the reasons why it was shut down in the first place is because of the legitimate controversy surrounding its directly-to-affirmation care of kids presenting with supposed gender dysphoria.

    [–]Newzok 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Hmm I get two impressions. One is that it's shut down due to the concerns of malpractice, one because it has long waiting lines. It also seems the clinic will shut down but more will pop up. I can only hope they will be more focused on mental health and getting that type of treatment.

    I guess this means that the old staff gets laid off or swapped around. Otherwise it will have no effect.

    [–]Femaleisnthateful 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Graham Linehan's podcast featuring Dennis Kavanaugh had a good discussion about this ruling. I think part of the rationale is that a decentralized approach will weaken the influence of lobbyists like Stonewall and Mermaids. If so, that can only be a good thing. The interim Cass report was very clear that a big part of what is wrong at the Tavistock is ideologically driven interventions.