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[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Like I don't object to the idea of this if they're labelling it and it's safe.

Yeah, it's the surprise crickets that are the problem for most people :D.

More importantly what's the shellfish/cricket allergy crossover?

They apparently have some of the same proteins as shellfish.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Huh interesting. Makes sense they'd mention it then! Better safe than sorry. Especially with how bad shellfish allergies can be.

But yeah here it's listed and I can't say I wouldn't give them a go for the novelty of trying it you know? Might even end up enjoying them.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Huh interesting. Makes sense they'd mention it then! Better safe than sorry. Especially with how bad shellfish allergies can be.

Except I would never think to check a bag of cheese poofs to see if it would make my wife sick to eat, and I don't think she would either.

This cricket shellfish issue is news to me. Means cricket protein is off the table for us. Wife developed a shellfish/fish allergy relatively recently. Which is another issue, you may not be allergic now, who knows tomorrow.

[–]Nona_Biba 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The front of the bag says "sustainable." Might be wise to double check any new foods that use that word or claim to be more "green" than your average foodstuff. I'm sure eating crickets IS more sustainable than some other food, not knocking their claim, but if a food claims to be more environmentally friendly then they must have cut corners somewhere.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I mean good thing they mention it for that reason, though allergy things can pop up in the weirdest places. I'd hope that it's just them covering their backs and there's unlikely to be a reaction. But we can't really know.

As for not checking wouldn't that just be an exposure thing? Like if more brands did do it you would then think to check? I know allergens crop up in some odd places at times (bf's cousin has an apple allergy and you would not believe how many things have it in that you wouldn't expect) and I'd assume the same rule of "don't eat anything without checking and double checking" holds true for most people that are aware of their allergy. The problem comes with the ones who as you say don't know/just develop it. That's some scary stuff.

I suppose I'd move towards clearer labelling of potential allergens for those cases? Like your problem with it doesn't seem to be that it has them, just that having it more obvious would be beneficial and safer. Which is fair and could save lives. Making sure people see a clear warning seems like your best bet until people are used to the product containing it.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

bf's cousin has an apple allergy and you would not believe how many things have it in that you wouldn't expect

Like cat food, although your cousin probably isn't eating that. Hopefully, although food prices are crazy rn.

One of the absolute worst has to be an allium allergy, onions and garlic. It's in nearly every savory food. You pretty much have to cook everything yourself to avoid it.

As for not checking wouldn't that just be an exposure thing? Like if more brands did do it you would then think to check?

Cooking and food science are interests of mine, but this one I wouldn't expect because fish isn't usually a surprise ingredient found in western cuisine. I suppose if awareness was raised and this was a big MAY CONTAIN CRICKETS warning on it I guess that'd be cool.

And I say cool, but a slippery slope issue here is that once they get people eating crickets, which are far easier to grow that beef, why wouldn't they just keep feeding peasants crickets. The beef prices will be so high only the elite eat beef while everyone else has cricket protein. I don't want that. One way to avoid that is to reject cricket consumption in all it's forms: raw, fried, and cheese poofed.

Also, crickets aren't kosher.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No cat food that I know of, and hopefully no cat food ever.

The allium ones seem so hard to avoid. As do less common allergies where people think that someone is lying about it or don't list common allergens, there was a very sad case where a girl died due to no labelling on the packaging. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45623831 Which is not something I'd want anyone to experience if possible. I think for now products like this are a novelty and I don't object to trying it and it is sustainable. I think as another option it's good, but it shouldn't be the only option.

Interesting point that they aren't kosher, that's not something I would've thought about.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

As do less common allergies where people think that someone is lying about it or don't list common allergens

Suspicion isn't totally unfounded, people do lie about allergies. Remember the whole celiac fad?

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I mean I'd rather not risk killing someone personally. I think the best way I've seen it handled was when one of my friends was a chef and they just git the waiters to ask if it was an allergy or not liking it. Then mentioning if it was an allergy it'd take an extra 20-30 mins to decontaminate everything. Allergy people are happy it's being taken seriously, everyone else can just not have whatever it is on there.

Like you can suspect someone is faking but it's not something I'd want to mess around with considering the risk vs reward. If you're right you get some satisfaction I guess? If you're wrong you might kill them.

Not to mention the Celiac fad has been really helpful to people who actually have it. I know 2 who at least are happy it's increased the options and the quality of them. So not ideal but at least there's that?

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I mean I'd rather not risk killing someone personally. I think the best way I've seen it handled was when one of my friends was a chef and they just git the waiters to ask if it was an allergy or not liking it. Then mentioning if it was an allergy it'd take an extra 20-30 mins to decontaminate everything. Allergy people are happy it's being taken seriously, everyone else can just not have whatever it is on there.

Like you can suspect someone is faking but it's not something I'd want to mess around with considering the risk vs reward. If you're right you get some satisfaction I guess? If you're wrong you might kill them.

While you're right, and your example was great, you forget the other side of that coin:

The people who fake allergies because they just don't like something would, by and large, also be Karens who'd gloat at forcing others to be put out for their benefit. They'd love to see the chef forced to decontaminate everything, love seeing everyone else in the restaurant forced to wait for them [or even "It's too serious, even being in the room could trigger it. Take all these other people's food away! You won't? I...agg, I feel my mouth closing up, no, allergy...need EpiPen...i feel so cold...it's dark...hold my hand while I die, please...aaghghghghghghg"..., just to cause everyone else a worse time for their own benefit.

A person who truly has the allergy and could die from it would likely realize they have to outright leave because there's truly nothing that'd be safe for them if decontamination is in play.

[–]Haylstorm 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

From the sound of it most people were reasonable there, there was less of that and more sheepish saying they didn't like it because they really didn't like the wait. Def something that varies by place though. Everyone with an allergy was happy that it was being taken so seriously. Might vary by place then, my friends main experience of it is either genuine allergies, or people who don't like something who got annoyed at something not being removed when they asked for it so started saying it was an allergy to 'make sure' they wouldn't get it.

Obviously you're right if your allergies are that serious eating out anywhere is quite hard, hell for some anything not made by you personally can be hard due to companies/products having allergens in them. I think reasonable accommodation is fair if it can be managed but you're more likely to risk it if your condition isn't as serious I suppose.