I am really confused about all this and i have some questions. Would be awesom if you would answer some of them.

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[–]Terfenclaw 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

ONE - Because trans activism has reached the point where people are starting to be called transphobic for not wanting to date them. The slogan of "trans women are women" is starting to be taken literally, in every context. Before, it was only lesbians who were being shamed for only wanting to be with biological women. Many lesbians have been kicked out of their own communities and Reddit does not allow any lesbian communities for biological women only. The TRAs have been getting bolder and bolder over the years, moving on to gay men and it appears now that some straight men are getting shamed too. At least enough for that 16 year old TikTokker to make a video about it.

TWO - Shame receipts from lesbians - https://lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/

Shame receipts from gay men (opens a google doc) - https://photos.app.goo.gl/Sgz9aR2BxPH4JgqA7

THREE - Any movement is going to be a mixed bag of people. Superstraight is admittedly one of the oddest, most diverse assortment of people I've seen--a mix of radfems, alt-right shitlords, estranged LGBT members, and normies who had no idea this was going on. The trans community itself has its own problems of nazis and white supremacy inside of it, but no one talks about it. There are pictures of actual German nazis crossdressing in a fetishistic way, but that doesn't mean the entire community is nazis. https://uploads.ovarit.com/b366817b-6896-56a1-af26-9621593ca193.png

As for trolling the LGBTQ+ community, the community is not a monolith. There are many LGB and even T who do not agree with the state of current trans activism. If there are parts that deserve criticism, then I'm all for pointing it out. I would need to see exactly what they said and the context.

FOUR - I think that in order for one to think "superstraight" is better than "straight," you'd have to have some kind of internalized homophobia. I just think of it as extra-straight, really. One is not better than the other. They are all valid sexualities.

FIVE - It depends on who you ask. I believe that trans people deserve to live free of discrimination in housing, employment, medical care, and all the same basic human rights as everyone else. But I don't believe they have the right to redefine biological reality and the language around biological reality for the entire population. I don't believe their desire for gender validation trumps women's rights to safety and fairness in sports, shelters, prisons, locker rooms, etc.

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[–]Pheicker[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

Thank you for the answers.

I believe that transwomen are women and i respect their desicions and pronouns. But i never saw that as a reason to have sex with them. I actually never thought about having sex with transwomen as something straight guys should do.

[–]BEB 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

If they're women, and you're a straight man, why don't you want to have sex with them?

Because they're not women?

Also, what is your definition of "woman"?

I'm asking you in all seriousness because I can't understand how one can think transgenders are the sex they claim to be yet not see them as that sex when it comes to sex.

[–]Pheicker[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

They are the gender female. You can´t change your sex. It´s determined by the chromosomes. And i´m attracted to the sex female, not the gender female. That was always my definition of "Straight/Hetero".

At least that´s my opinion, i guess everybody sees that differently.

[–]BEB 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

At this moment, the US Congress is considering changing the legal definition of "sex" to include "gender identity," via this atrocious piece of legislation called the Equality Act, pushed by our '"liberal" party, the Democrats.

This change via the Equality Act would erase women and gay men as distinct and coherent legal categories, as well as many of the laws that protect women and gay men on the basis of sex, which is most of them.

US law would no longer be based on biological sex, but on the ever-fluid and therefore undefinable idea of "gender identity" which will cause chaos in the US on many levels.

So you are saying that sex is immutable (it is), therefore you don't actually think that "transwomen" are biological women, but instead are men who are the gender "woman" - but what exactly is the gender "woman" ?

And while you say government definitions don't matter to you, they will, because Germany (I've read) is also considering changing laws regarding the definition sex to include gender identity, after which under the law a "transwoman" will be considered a biological woman.

At which point, Germany will be cast into the same chaotic, Upside Down Gender World that Canada (which should be called "Tranada") is in right now, and which the US will be in if the Equality Act is passed.

[–]Pheicker[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you are saying that sex is immutable (it is), therefore you don't actually think that "transwomen" are biological women, but instead are men who are the gender "woman".

Yes, exactly

but what exactly is the gender "woman" ?

The social role "women" that we expect from women for centuries. Emotionality, Caringness, Beauty. If a men acts like this, they often get insulted for it. So i understand that people are sick of it, like "fine if yall call me a girl i can be one". I belive if the gender roles wouldn`t exist, less people would feel the need to be trans.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Welcome to gender critical feminism! Well, you're probably not a feminist, but believing that biological sex is immutable, but that people should be free to dress and live how they want as long as they don't impede on the rights of others, is gender critical thought.

[–]Pheicker[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you understood me wrong. I support the term gender. I just say that sex and gender is not the same.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, the confusion between "sex" and "gender" in the English language is one of the reasons gender ideology has gotten so far.

Many English speakers still feel the two words are interchangable - but they think both refer to biological sex.

Now, trans advocates are arguing the same, except that they are claiming that biological sex can change to suit the feelings in ones head, i.e., ones gender.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Female is the name of a sex not a gender.

Do you ever see an animal called female because of gender?

[–]Pheicker[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I don´t agree with this example. Gender is used as a social contruct, animals don´t have that. Humans have stereotypes and roles assigned to the sex that we call gender. F.E. if a man is very emotional and cries, people will call him "girl" or "pussy". I often felt the pressure of behaving like a "real man" would. Animals don`t feel this pressure, because they don´t have that complex social lifes.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

All group animals have a complex social life.

What do you think would happen to a male wolf or chimp who sat and played with the females all day? They wouldn't last long. They have the same pressure to behave a certain way, this has been observed in the wild. The difference is they have death as the other option why humans are kinder to each other.

[–]79malibu350 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I see this “social construct” argument used a lot. I hate it. And the reason I hate it is, at its root everything is a social construct. Currency, economics, rights are a social construct because without Society what do we have? Survival of the fittest. If gender is a “social construct”, so are trans rights.

[–]Pheicker[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Sure. But emotional men shouldn´t be insulted, for beeing themself. Every person is diffrent and this is okay.

[–]WildApples 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I completely agree with you that gender is a social construct and that men who do not meet the expectations of that construct should not be penalized for it.

Don't you find it trans/gender ideology regressive in that respect? Under trans ideology, young boys who are more emotional or otherwise less masculine by society standards are being told that they are probably not really boys. It is teaching kids that if they do not conform to these gender stereotypes they have an identity problem that needs to be solved with a lifetime of costly, sterilizing medications and surgeries. It is reinforcing the very stereotypes that you take issue with, suggesting that you cannot be emotional and still be male.

I am curious as to how you reconcile those ideas.

[–]Pheicker[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I completely agree. These harsh stereotypes are the problems. I think we should change the way we see men and women with these locked in stereotypes. If society would be more exepting to feminine men and masculine women, less people would feel the need to change their gender.

[–]Terfenclaw 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

. I actually never thought about having sex with transwomen as something straight guys should do.

The more extreme TRAs would say this is proof you don't really see them as women, making you transphobic.

One thing to keep in mind is that superstraight was semi-satirical. I think most people realize it is ridiculous to think that straight men should be attracted to transwomen simply because they ID as female. However, this belief isn't shared by extreme TRAs. By conceding this point of transwomen being exactly like biological women and thus straight men should be attracted to them, and creating a new sexuality, we force TRAs to attack the validity of a sexual orientation. This directly goes against LGBT rhetoric and allows us to use their own "woke" language against them.

[–]germinare 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The definition of “woman” is “adult female person,” according to Merriam Webster.

Are transwomen adult female people?