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[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

This site is founded on the pyramid of debate as a third way, so I think it's a little late.

You are welcome to use the codebase to set up a different type of site.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

What about humor, meme, and ironic subs. Are those just going to be heavily censored? Banned? By definition they won't really adhere to debate. Humor isn't about sources and logic.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What about humor, meme, and ironic subs. Are those just going to be heavily censored? Banned?

No, not in general. Calls for violence or genocide though, ironic or otherwise, are likely to be considered low on the pyramid of debate policy and not allowed. We're still dialing in some of this policy and moderator policy and hopefully soon there will be more information available.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If I may give a suggestion.

If a sub is considered a humor sub it should have a different standard concerning the debate pyramid. I would hope the admins here would not want the debate pyramid to be used as a political weapon. I.e. the cringeanarchy sub must follow the pyramid of debate but the chapotraphouse sub is given leniency (or vice versa).

Now, in exchange for this exception both left and right wing comedy should be allowed and what ever alternative rule set created for comedy subs should be equally enforced. So lets assume that the rule for memetic subs is something like no doxxing, no targeted harassment, no calls to violence. The right wing would be find with those rules if they were EQUALLY applied to left wing subs. Maybe another idea is that humor subs must clearly mark themselves as humor. Political discussion must be shuttled to different subs which are held to the pyramid standards. I.e. a lefty sub that jokes about killing nazis doesn't get banned but if in the comments specific debates about whether or not the alt right are nazis are kicked over to other sub reddits. The real danger is when comedy is used to spread political disinformation and disinformation perpetuates when the debate pyramid is absent.

[–]d3rr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So does this lower standard you are proposing for comedy subs include allowing violence and genocide? If you are not concerned about that rule then I think we're good.

Whatever policy we have we are intent on applying it equally no matter if the sub leans right or left or otherwise.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So does this lower standard you are proposing for comedy subs include allowing violence and genocide

If you want to write the 'comedy pyramid' to not include references to violence and genocide you're going to wipe out a lot of left and right wing jokes. People joke about violence, people joke about genocide (more on the left than the right IMO but that's irrelevent in this disscussion.) The point I'm trying to get through is I don't care where you set the bar as long as it's equally applied. I will warn you though that you're going to stifle a lot of meme/comedy content on both political sides if the rule is too strict and you're going to stifle nearly all comedy content with a 'pyramid of debate' because again comedy is not debate.

[–]d3rr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The point I'm trying to get through is I don't care where you set the bar as long as it's equally applied

We can certainly accomplish this. Both of us admins are basically non-partisan and the site has non-partisan roots. If you ever feel we're slipping on applying rules equally hit me up and express it.

I also agree with your points about stifling comedy. But ironic things have a way of becoming non-ironic. We're just trying to pick some kind of line to prevent this site from becoming Voat2. Easier said than done for sure.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I appreciate your clarity. Thanks for the reply.

Here's an example of how difficult comedy can be to police/mod.

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubforWhitePeopleOnly/comments/bi1c2a/and_50_of_all_violent_crime_was_erased/

Leftists could easily call this a genocide joke and push to get it removed or a sub banned if the rules were not written clearly.

[–]d3rr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Leftists could easily call this a genocide joke

Isn't it? I guess the "erased" part makes it a hypothetical maybe. Certainly a good example.

I'm hoping we never start down the sub banning path, aside from the extreme subs we've already banned, and instead just ban users after their 2 warnings, so subs and mods don't live in fear of arbitrary shit by admins.

[–]HoppeanAncap[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

oh ok