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[–]GENUINE 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Thanks.

antiextremes.com

I assume that this means your intention was to avoid anything like Voat or Raddle (the lesser-known, very left Reddit alternative).

But is it ever possible to remain neutral? People aligning with the alt-right often use their "facts not feelings" motto, and usually hide the heavy hatred behind "logical" paragraphs (I'm sure we've all seen the same PewResearch paragraph parroted hundreds of times), and in the times I've seen it occur they're almost always posting/commenting with an agenda, not to discuss.

Even if you don't want it to become overrun by one side, couldn't it potentially do so if a large number of users from that side dominate SaidIt, and end up defining the website's standing?

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

The two extremes being reddit (leftist, censorship) and voat (extremist right). Raddle is like reddit too. There is no silver bullet, but we are going to try our best.

Even if you don't want it to become overrun by one side, couldn't it potentially do so if a large number of users from that side dominate SaidIt, and end up defining the website's standing?

It's possible, but the ones that don't follow the pyramid of debate would be removed. And it turns out a lot of hyper-extremist people aren't usually all that good at arguing their points. This works in our favor.

[–]Troll 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I don't think "extreme" is the correct word. Ideological is what I would say. Voat is a cesspool because everything for those people is ideological, same as reddit. Reddit is worse, however, because it is a government and NGO supported propaganda machine.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Ideological is a good word, I agree. But extremism is defined as "the advocacy of extreme measures or views" and if you're too far-gone in to one single ideology, as voat and reddit both often are, then I see it as ideological extremism.

Yeah, reddit is definitely more... machined, for lack of a better word.

[–]Robin 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I see "extremism" as a plastic word used to mean more or less what TPTB want it to. Of course, they're good old fashioned middle of the road neoliberal, so any dissent from the "mainstream" is suspect. c.f. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Extremism

[–]Troll 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Sentencing a criminal to death is considered "extreme," however, many view it as a necessary measure. The American colonists declaring civil war against the British Empire was also "extreme." America's independence day is one of the largest holidays in the US.

Liberal democracy is considered centrist, despite it being a radically difference form of "civilization" than anything pre-Enlightenment. Under liberal democracy, mass-suffrage is a centrist position and the idea of the state as being what defines a people is centrist. Completely contrary to most of human history -- even democracy in Ancient Greece never went so far.

In a sense I'd argue that extremism is nothing more than going against the fray of the prevailing winds of modern society, which doesn't seem to offer all that much to people except the mercantile class.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I pretend I'm extremely pragmatic and logical.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I'm also extremely funny, handsome, and charming.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And I'm humble to the extreme.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In a sense I'd argue that extremism is nothing more than going against the fray of the prevailing winds of modern society

I disagree. A whole society can be extreme at once. Look at Nazi Germany for example.

Extremism is more about the historical and global cultural norms, not just bucking the norms of one country at one moment.

[–]Troll 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First of all, though, we need a working definition of "extreme." Extreme is in regards to something considered commonplace or moderate.

In the commonly accepted definition of political extremism it means radically different from the norms. But historically, again, liberal democracy is an extremist form of government. Nobody in their right mind before 400 years ago would have thought that universal suffrage was ideal or desirable.