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[–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The ACLU has definitely fallen far. I think that's a difference between the youthful, zealous strains of political action where they want to fight everyone and show no quarter with the older more tempered strains where you understand that treating your enemies with dignity and respect, where it is due, and giving them the same "rights" in a fair fight is the winning move for any number of reasons, not the least of which you don't waste effort fighting ghosts. In the KKK case, as I've said in the WBC case, you're best bet is to just let them say what they wanna say, the KKK is going to have to give a good case for racism in the public square and if you're confident your side is right you have nothing to fear from their argument. It is easily countered. Same with the WBC, I think it's absolutely horrid they went out being cunts at funerals, and well, if we are going to make a very specific law, for this very specific problem, that applies to everyone, like "you can freely protest funerals anywhere except for within 500 meters of the funeral itself" or something I could get behind that, but again, the best option is to ignore these cunts and horrid as their behavior can be, especially if you were on the pro-lgbt side the WBC is basically winning the argument for you anyway since they are alienating the general public.

I think we are seeing another political shift. As we always do really. We have always been at war with Eurasia after all. The Republican party was a radical anti-slavery party, the democrats were absolutely the party of the racists, until is switched. Indeed it switched again? It's hard to say exactly where these switches occur. But they seem to change generation from generation. The Dems are the pro-corporate establishment party. The GOP the pro-corporate anti-established establishment party. Until the next election of course. Then they're going to be the pro status quo party while the other party is the anti status quo party? Filter in some new flavor of the month cultural war issues and you'll have your fun. St. Patriarchy Day is Elf-phobic anyone? Perhaps we get at the true evil in our society. Toilet paper and how it kills the trees! I am the Lorax I speak for the trees because the trees can't speak for themselves. No trees shall be cut down before the third-trimester!

Before I have a psychotic break thinking about the poor poor plight of the Elf-phobic trees and the rampant discrimination of them and the arborphiles by the flora-sexual-phobes. I must remind you that we have always been at war with Eastasia!

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Will add that I think the association of the religious people with the "conservatives" is a relatively recent phenomenon. I think the religious "conservative" moral panic types are a lot closer to progressive liberal ideals than conservative positions. I mean if you think about it they are anti-alcohol, anti-drug, anti-gambling, etc, all these anti-vice positions were a big part of progressive movements and were and are largely driven by women, partly because women have more empathy and see the legitimate problems all these vices cause, but also partially because on some level they don't want to compete with men's attention with various vices. In the past these women tended to be highly religious because well, the church was the primary social institution and that's where women did their socializing. (It's not like they were the ones going to the saloon.)

Now I think it's changed and the internet has become the primary socialization hub. I think you'll see that with the mass adoption of cellphones, there's a huge increase in women using it along with the rise in social media.

Again somewhat anecdotal but when I first got on Facebook made tons of friends with women (hell yeah why not) and noticed that in general they tended to post a lot more often and a lot of the, what I'd call non-humorous memes, political populist points, etc. Even if it was still at a point where I largely agreed with them I thought it was rather a waste of time.