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[–]JasonCarswell 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (28 children)

I "wasn't listening" because I didn't want the rules to change...

You weren't listening, and still haven't.

The rules were NOT changing, the admins responses were being clarified from subjective bullshit to object solutions that admins and user alike could understand.

You took him and other admins for granted for years and have been exceedingly rude to them and others from your pompous high horse.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

This is true. So doing nothing gets you nowhere anyway. It just makes you a stick in the mud.

That's why this drama is so hard to avoid.

WRONG. Without ever opening up to management ideas from your admins and the community you've brought this all on yourself and upon SaidIt. We don't need dictates handed down from on high. You are NOT smarter than us collectively. We need to develop them together.

As I said in chat last night, my thought on all this in general:

I think this is not good. It's not bad either. We will figure out a way through.

M7 may be a dick-tator or try to open up as he really ought to. I suspect he'll quadruple down like the son of Castro.

Unless M7 does something extreme like pull the plug, it will continue on as it has for quite some time.

The enemies of SaidIt may try to move in for the kill, including the ones who are already on here (socks, ShalomEveryone, Ed, anti-American bot, others).

Unless M7 actually finds some good admins there may be a long slow decline - or maybe not. Regardless for a long time the steadfast of us will do our best to self-regulate our community.

Openness and transparency are the only legit solutions.

FreedIt may actually have a great role to play in helping prolong or even saving SaidIt from slow rot.

This is a HUGE paradigm shift, yet we may never feel it, or we may grow to lament it, or anywhere between.

I still said-it.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 16 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 5 fun -  (12 children)

Bro. That's probably not helping.

You're probably the wrong messenger on this one.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

Tell me where I'm wrong.

I AM the wrong messenger because M7 has MADE me the wrong messenger. This is all on him.

Also, FYI, d3rr privately thanks me on the regular for saying things he won't for whatever reasons.

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    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    BINGO.

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      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

      Well I am everybody's friend, but Jason can be abrasive in multiple ways, including how you point out. While I agree with about half what he says in general, I find that his stance is often disingenuous, or even in bad faith, such as his earlier comment that "I'm the wrong messenger because u/Magnora7 made me the wrong messenger." Stop being a victim, Jason.

      But I don't have a general stance of "against Jason". I agree some, disagree some, and try to respect the guy even though I find he lacks honesty.

      You on the other hand, display a honest and good faith attitude to the topics you discuss, and I appreciate you for that. You get both respect and appreciation from me.

      OK enough with the sappy shit.

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Stop being a victim, Jason.

      Define the difference between protest and victimhood?

      Should we all just gag on top-down management bullshit?

      I'm NOT a victim. magnora7 won't even respond to my comments. At all.

      M7 has chosen to NOT listen to the community at all and dictates - good, bad, and bullshit - from on high.

      Go suck your favourite flavour of authoritarian dick.

      even though I find he lacks honesty.

      Find me ANYWHERE where you think I'm not being honest and I'll show you how you have cognitive problems understanding bigger concepts than you can handle.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Find me ANYWHERE where you think I'm not being honest and I'll show you how you have cognitive problems understanding bigger concepts than you can handle.

      and

      I AM the wrong messenger because M7 has MADE me the wrong messenger. This is all on him.

      So you have nothing to do with this. You're playing victim to M7, and rejecting any and all responsibility for the consequences of YOUR ACTIONS on this board on him. That is ABSOLUTELY DISHONEST.

      Now back to our regularly scheduled arguing.

      [–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Good points.

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      You're the wrong messenger because you were suspended by M7 for the habitual gay innuendo, and such.

      Which you eventually got out of your system.

      As much as you might dream of me in that way, it was never habitual gay innuendo. In my youth here I experimented. If you'd like to whip out your prodigious "big"oted hypocra"dick" homophobia I'm still eager to mock the little tiny open-minds and free-speech of SaidIt by exposing the prodigious intolerance of salacious interactions in an orgy of rampant ramming of Christian anal-retentive judgmentalism relentlessly pounding the gas and trans in debauched excretions spewing all over our eyes like a bullshit-dripping bukkake.

      Notably.

      Note away. Currently the world has more pressing problems than spying and sniffing around others' bedrooms.

      Then after the fact, you came back with arguments that had some merit.

      It's extremely saddening that it seems that of all my output back then you want to remember a small handful of insignificant comments that others snowballed into the over-reactionary drama they thrust upon all our asses.

      By then, you had damaged your own reputation, and your credibility; with the founder of the site.

      Those who matter don't mind, and those who mind can go fuck themselves with a giant black dildo from their great collections.

      This history makes you the wrong messenger. Or maybe less desirable for difficult messages.

      Now that you've selectively dredged up my past for no particular reason, would you like to selectively dredge up your past - or more topically, magnora7's past, which is completely riddled with flecks of bullshit, lies, mismanagement, and inadequacies?

      Or would your rather discuss or even refute my central points to constructively move forward?

      I'm not trying to create conflict here. Are you?

      You already have. magnora7 already has.

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        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        You were clearly harassing whomever, and you eventually quit using this hilariously obscene gay innuendo to humiliate your opponents.

        Yes. And I'd do it again, at the drop of an asshat's latex thong.

        Get over it bro. It's not personal to me.

        Agreed. But if you're going to publicly drag up trivial old prudish issues M7 had about me from 2018 or 2019, then at least make them relevant - or I'll have to publicly explain them away to those who read and want clarification and/or my views on whatever is alleged. MANY of us had and have issues with how M7 is managing this site without involving OUR community in the process. THAT is the real issue for MOST of our conflicts.

        But M7 didn't find it funny at all, and he dutifully read all of your comments (which were long form graphic novels); so he could respond to people making complaints.

        His lack of a sense of humour is not my problem.

        He didn't like reading it, and didn't find it funny. And you did it numerous times.

        So? There's much on SaidIt not enjoyable to read for anyone.

        M7 read numerous OBSCENE gay innuendo graphic novels written by you.

        I've never written a graphic-novel nor a sexually-graphic novel.

        I'm trying to be objective.

        Bullshit. Your hyperbolic exaggerations are extreme.

        Probably had better things to do.

        To bad he doesn't know how to collaborate or delegate very well.

        He wants to create a professional culture of open debate,

        Yet he won't even debate me, or anyone, professionally, about his management strategies. Perhaps he earnestly means to do it, but he can't get out of his own way, and he's comically pretentious in his critical thoughts - and you seem not to see this. If he could be real and authentic and flawed instead posing as the "authority" around here he might actually earn my respect. Even Horrux has respectable expressions half the time. (I won't comment here on the other half.)

        and obscene gay graphic novels cross a red line for many serious people.

        I was NOT REMOTELY graphic. I can do that if you want. Go re-read them. They were VERY tame, intentionally suggestive, compared to what's VERY possible.

        Bro. That's the long and the short of it.

        That's only your sensationalist take and selective memory on it.

        I was essentially on your side through all of this. Free speech purist, and all.

        Then address the actual issues at hand and through most of our history here, rather than dredging up some old goat-getting.

        Meanwhile, M7 was quietly raging about some fucking guy (YOU) who won't stop harassing people with gay graphic novels that he's forced to fucking read.

        "gay graphic novels" Now that's complete fiction. I did not write any such thing. Keep promoting this idea and I'll have to call you a malicious liar.

        I'm sure he had other problems to deal with as well, so he wasn't laughing.

        Not my problem. He should learn to collaborate and delegate well.

        First impressions are lasting.

        My first impressions were MANY good months before that all started. To say that's the first is as stupid as saying, "Ah, now I see your true colours," in a crisis or something. People have a WIDE range of diverse reactions to many scenarios under a spectrum of circumstances. If you or he can't get past these few engagements in a wide array of other things going on over a small period several years ago, that's on you guys.

        That's surely how you're remembered, so you should man up, and maybe even apologize to him cause he still remembers reading all of the obscene gay novels, and having better things to do with his time..

        Has he said this? Or is that how you surely remember me? Or is that you "surely" wildly speculating? Or are you picking at old scars to keep his PTSD fresh?

        Man up to the guy who won't even respond to my comments? Fuck grovelling for his approval when he's done little interacting worthy of my respect for years.

        The more you say "obscene gay novels", the more I'm convinced you're stirring up shit.

        He wasn't laughing.

        I don't care. It's not my job to entertain his royal magnora7, but I will jest nonetheless.

        Come on, bro. Make an attempt to remain diplomatic with M7.

        He can speak for himself. He won't respond. If you are his proxy, you can also deeply appreciate that silicon beast.

        Don't use dildos to open old wounds.

        You made it salacious. I responded the way you liked it.

        I'm not your enemy. Neither is M7.

        I know that. If M7 was my enemy I'd be reminding people of it all the time or be actively blockading your borders. Believe it or not, I actually minimize my negative words and responses about him. For the wellbeing of our SaidIt community we don't need it. But we also can't sit quite when bullshit is afoot. And I won't just let you or him malign me without clarifying. If you or he say stupid shit, that's more than enough to respond to defensively. I'm not here for war. I'm here for the free-thinking truth-seeking community, resistance to tyranny (great and trivial), alternatives, and solutions.

        [–]send_nasty_stuff 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

        I think saidit still has potential. Magnora7 has had problems but he's willing to learn from his mistakes. (at least I hope he is). Let's not totally implode this place. We are running out of free speech platforms on the internet. Saidit still has the potential to be a reddit jump off spot but we need to work together to make that happen. Your comment is quite hostile to /u/magnora7

        [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

        Learning from mistakes is my strong suit, that's why I'm assembling this new content admin team and writing a rules clarification page so they all know the rules and precisely how to apply them.

        [–]HibikiBlack 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Not to brag but I post factual cases of corruption involving the government and corporations on a near daily basis. I already collected over a thousand. If you guys help me out with exposure then it would help the aesthetics of the site...

        I don't even care about being an admin, just that people see the potential of Saidit.

        [–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        If you don't mind could you please consider carving some type of exception in the pyramid of debate and the content rules to allow for humor, art, religion, and memes? I've always thought that the saidit rules never quite addressed these unique exceptions. IMO it's only when people are politically debating in good faith do they need to be following POD with rigor. Communication comes in a lot of forms and we need to try to attract all types of communities.

        [–]AlanSmith33 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Magnora7 has had problems but I think he's willing to learn from his mistakes. (at least I hope he is).

        I guess we'll find out.

        I still remember back when users got instapermabanned as sockpuppets by M7 for simply agreeing with the argument of someone else who got instapermabanned as sockpuppets for having different opinions than M7.

        [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

        Let's not totally implode this place.

        This will not happen. At least not for a long time.

        But M7 needs to get real and wake up to his obvious inadequacies and allow us input and to help. Fuck all tyrants big and small. Bottom up is the only solution.

        You comment is quite hostile to /u/magnora7

        He often spins things. This is not new. His bullshit needs to be called out as much as anyone else's.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        I don't know man... Bottom up has led us to cancel culture, because it's easy for the inferiors of the human race to band together and impose their misguided will on the rest by being loud, obnoxious and unrelenting. That's bottom up for you, because bottom up means the most retarded moron has as much voice as the most evolved of great minds and souls. That's a way to HAVE problems, but not a way to solve them.

        Does a 180IQ person have a better idea how to solve problems than a 70IQ person? I say yes. If you say no, fine, but please provide evidence.

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Bottom up has led us to cancel culture,

        Don't fool yourself. Infiltrators will corrupt the commies and capitalists alike.

        That's bottom up for you, because bottom up means the most retarded moron has as much voice as the most evolved of great minds and souls.

        People who are superior don't need to claim they are superior - or be judgemental and call others names or pretend they have better views.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Don't fool yourself. Infiltrators will corrupt the commies and capitalists alike.

        You know what used to prevent that? MORALITY. But you yourself stand for immorality. And the commies don't need to "get corrupted", they ARE the corruption. Or at least, they are part of that mentality which IS the corruption.

        People who are superior don't need to claim they are superior - or be judgemental and call others names or pretend they have better views.

        The first part certainly is true. I am also not judging or calling names here, just stating FACTS. Some people objectively qualify for what the word "retarded" means, and same goes for "moron". These people used to not have voice, back when morality was the bulwark protecting the people against degenerates. As to "pretend they have better views", well... this is the crux of what opposes me to you: you like to pretend that a 70IQ moron, and that's a technical term, can have as valid views as an 180IQ genius. Or better yet, that a degenerate's views are equal to a moral person's or even to those of a fully evolved Übermensch. They are not and they cannot ever be.

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        You don't have a clue and you fail at trying to put words in my mouth I won't ever say.

        Bad faith makes you look stupid.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Sorry I can't hear you from underneath a pyramid.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Gab, Bastyon and Minds are free speech platforms. They're closer to facebook than to reddit in their functioning, but there certainly ARE free speech platforms out there. And more are popping up all the time.

        [–]iamonlyoneman 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

        Tell us you have a sandy vag but use more words

        [–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun - 2 hours ago Tell us you have a sandy vag but use more words

        South Park: Got some sand in your vagina?

        [–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Without ever opening up to management ideas from your admins and the community you've brought this all on yourself and upon SaidIt

        This is very true. I think the saidit community puts out a lot of great ideas and the admin here almost has near zero response to any of them.