Everyone knows propagandists have to mix poison lies in with the sweet truth for people to swallow it.

I'll never deny that ActuallyNot or socks may have good points occasionally, often seeming sincere.

I'll always be surprised at the number of SaidIt regulars who don't see through their bullshit.

Obviously I have a problem with their inauthenticity, "Oh yes, I'll look at what you've countered with," but they ignore it and keep shilling their bullshit lies and authoritarianism.

Banning ActuallyNot and socks from /s/Passports/about/log is an intentional experiment of discovery and consequences. I'm for freedom of expression, but I'm also against pollution, sealioning noise, and bullshit lies that advocate for the ruling class' harms to humanity. They are free to "express themselves" on the corporate platforms they view as legitimate sources of information where they would be welcomed. But as authoritarians, they do not support alternatives as I do.

In a few weeks I'll have been on SaidIt for a few years, and a few weeks ago I did my first non-spam moderation action when I banned /u/Popper from /s/StandUpWindsor/about/log/. That got me thinking about it, and as you know we've been thinking and occasionally working on /s/Cassy stuff, including how to better organize (see also /s/Organizing) and manage indie social media platforms to be FOTPACH (Fair, Open, Transparent, Peaceful, Accountable, Consistent, Honest).

Also a few weeks ago I started /s/SaidItCommunity " for organizing bottom-up self-reliance solutions, guides to lead by example rather than by dictate, and to develop ways to help and support each other and our community, rather than overburden and depend upon top-down mods and admins - for a fair, open, better user experience. " The lessons we might learn and share may come in handy on many ground-up social media platforms beyond just SaidIt or Cassy if we can develop and present them clearly on the /s/Projex wiki and elsewhere. Instead of inconsistent owners' whims, vague corporate terms (Facebook, Reddit, YouTube), or hierarchy commie mobs (Wikipedia), it would be nice to have foundational manifestos and constitutions, rules, guides, and other tools for respectable self-regulating platforms. Here are more similar musings. Until the Projex.Wiki is up to start laying out and documenting all of this concretely, it's all just theoretically moot.

But back to the issues of shills, as well as your comment with citing links, and how it relates to /s/SaidItCommunity... In this comment I stated, " Among the many areas of potential, this includes making open transparent lists and records to collect evidence on problematic users to not only build up cases for banishment if necessary, but also to help clearly educate visitors, newbs, and rare to casual users to the infiltration agents of chaos that infect all social media, as well as their techniques. Naturally I welcome folks to make a list on me if they like. Critically important: this must not turn into an unjust witch hunt, immediately or via slow corruption over time. [...] For starters we need good ideas and decent neutral terms for our social-media-self-management projects, including these "Caution Lists" for lack of a better name. "

And now I have a some questions.

• What do you think in general?
• What do you think of /s/SaidItCommunity and do you have any ideas for it?
• What do you think of making "Caution Lists" in /s/SaidItCommunity/wiki? (Projex.Wiki may be of better use with more robust deeper wiki features, including better wiki history tools.)
• How can we further avoid false witch hunts? (Lists may build cases for people to make up their own minds, thus this is a (potentially flawed) step toward fair solutions.)
• Would you consider developing this system and/or helping keep track/build cases? (As you did with your comment citation above.)
• Could this be a solution to sealioning traps that lead to endless stupidity and downward debates?
• Is this just unnecessary bureaucracy?

What do you think /u/magnora7 and /u/d3rr?

Until this past weekend I've had an intense few months, some I have yet to share on SaidIt and Projex, and some I never will. This week I've been in limbo, chilling and cleaning while waiting on a several things. The intensity may kick off again or it may be over for the winter. Either way, at least half if not most of my winter I aim to be focusing on /s/SaidItCommunity, /s/Projex, /s/Cassy, and /s/LeverMind projects.