How vulnerable is Saidit now? How likely is it that the site will finally be taken down and/or take down "controversial" subs itself, hoping to appease the red fascists and the corporations? Is it even worth putting work into your sub? Do you plan to migrate to another site? If so, to which one?

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[–]Airbus320 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (14 children)

Trans are not people

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Bigots are not people

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If one set of peoples' rights affect another set of peoples' rights, and neither group is happy about it and is vocal about the other side-- are they both bigots?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If you wish to discuss the important ethical problem that one's rights are another's responsibility, we can discuss this with regard to arguments made by Alasdair MacIntyre & Charles Taylor.

If you want to assume that everyone is:

obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

That's not true for everyone.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Everyone has different systems of beliefs, different experiences, different expectations of treatment and ways that they react to and treat different circumstances and other people. There's tolerance, but when tolerance of others begins to result in the erosion of your own feelings of safety, that's going to be a bit of an issue. You don't have to be obstinately OR unreasonably attached to a belief to feel that way.

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when tolerance of others begins to result in the erosion of your own feelings of safety

Not sure if you really want to discuss this, but let's pick an example:

Let's say I know this person who lives in Israel, and I ask her about the avoidance of a middle-east peace plan by the right-wing Israel government, which continues to bomb and abuse Palestinians, and will not come to the table to discuss the peace plan, as they had done many years ago. She says it boils down to Israeli's not tolerating Palestinians (and some others) because they fear for their safety. The result has been the abuse and slow genocide of Palestinians. They are being gradually exterminated. Are Israeli's truly unsafe? Not necessarily. Do they need to exterminate Palestinians? No. Why should they be tolerant? Did they not learn from the abuses of their own people over the centuries? Tolerance is central to the golden rule. And there are other abuses by the Israel government in the Middle East. What would a peace plan bring them and the Palestinians? Prosperity, I think. What will the current trends bring them. Hatred and condemnation, for starters.

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why should they be tolerant?

I guess because you can be tolerant more easily from a distance?

Did they not learn from the abuses of their own people over the centuries?

...It looks like they did, and they're making sure it's not going to happen to them there in all places.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If you're only interested in the simplest answers, there isn't much to discuss. You're not reading beyond the headlines. There are numerous Israelis who protest the Government-sponsored abuses. Hatred breeds more hatred. There is no end to it. People of Israel understand this. How do you know I am not in Israel at the moment? Why would an Israeli want to commit genocide? (Many don't.) Are they really in danger? (No.) Will they be in much more danger if they continue the genocide? YES. Should they arrange a peace plan? YES

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If I knew that I was hated by another/other group(s) of people, and I had something that they wanted, I wouldn't be so keen on peacetalks or even being anywhere near them. Those peacetalks would likely just go up in flames as soon as guard was let down anyway. I'm not condoning what they're doing, but they've survived for a reason.

It's extremely naive of you to think that everything would just be hunky dory just because some people up top signed paperwork for peace, especially when not everyone there is on board with that idea.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Are you kidding me? That's not how peace treaties have worked for 100s of years. Have you not read history or ethics texts? Think for a moment where we'd be without peace treaties (or read about them). If you don't see any path to peace with people who don't agree with you, and want to imprison and murder those people, perhaps you should be the one on the chopping block, or read about theories of state, FFS.

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    Well-put

    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    People who are communists trained you that the dirtiest word in the english language is ‘fascist’. It isn’t. In fact its ‘communist’.

    These are not fascists. These are communists. They did this in Russia. They did this in China. Theyv’e done this in many other countries. They are doing it here now. They are lovers of Herr Marx. They are the opposite of fascists. Its the same crowd.

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    This post violates site-wide rule #2:

    No pornography. It's too much trouble to monitor and there's no shortage elsewhere.

    You can easily repost this without sexual imagery.