Saidit's 'free speech' is under attack from the new admin, who is of course a tranny. Check the moderation logs and see individual user posts to see what is being removed and ask yourself "is this level of censorship in line with saidit's rules, or are they serving a personal agenda'.

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    [–]christnmusicreleases 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

    No, Ruqqus, would be the right counterpart, win isn't in the equation here.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

    Seems that:

    Win is typical right-wing propaganda of the type seen on Fox and previously on TheDonald, and includes a QAnon group

    Ruqqus is extreme right-wing racism and ex-TheDonald

    Gab is purely disinformation for alt-right QBoogaloos

    Parler is famous for Nazi groups and Boogaloos

    [–]christnmusicreleases 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    Ruqqus allows all political views, but is right-leaning, and after voat.co died it became flooded with shills. It's still pretty normal, though, because it has a lot of regular users.

    Saidit is all over the spectrum but the left seem to maintain leadership which is normal for any center-leaning site. I think the general userbase is becoming increasingly right-wing, not in an extreme way, but more moderate conservatives (right and center-right).

    (The left increasingly claims to be center, and vies for places of power in administration, while the right is becoming more and more popular with average users, particularly since Biden was rigged in)

    Win, Voat and Poal are Mossad/Hasbara fronts, with Israelis pretending to be far-right American extremists, and a percentage of real right-wingers in the mix. They regularly make anti-semitic posts and Nazi propaganda, and most of these are created by the ADL to smear the right. I know their meme/artistic style, it's very recognizable. Parler looks like it is among their sites as well (less obvious though) and their server "attack" appears to have been deliberate and an inside job.

    Gab is the real deal, it's Christian conservative right, but I hate their Twitter-like interface so I rarely use it.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    OK - but I don't think anyone who is a 'centrist' or 'left' would think Saidit is anything other than fully right-wing. I can think of only one or two people on this site who argue like I do about the 'right', and almost all of the posts are 'right-wing'.

    First I've heard of the potential Mossad fronts, and I'll look into that. The IDF are definitely active in parts of Reddit.

    I'll have a closer look at Gab.

    [–]christnmusicreleases 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Just looking at the top 10 posts on the front page right now, you're right, they are right, but mostly (90%) conservative right, not this extreme far-right stuff you see on the shill front sites. But that's just the upvoted stuff, which indicates the preferences of the users. I'm sure there are a lot of leftist and centrist posts as well, maybe they're not just as popular, because in reality, most Americans and people of similar nations (Saidit's primary userbase) are conservative, so it fits the demographics.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    OK - it will be interesting to see how these approaches develop. Regarding:

    most Americans and people of similar nations (Saidit's primary userbase) are conservative, so it fits the demographics

    In 2013 a poll identified:

    self-identified conservatives stand at 38%, moderates at 34% and liberals at 23%

    That seems to be consistent with recent trends.

    [–]christnmusicreleases 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    2021 - the majority are much more conservative now, but they have rigged elections, so unless the people move, nothing changes. 2013 was the Obama era, that time has long since passed. Moderates don't really exist anymore for the most part. You're either far left (a fringe), left (decreasing as California implodes), or right for the most part.

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    Win is typical right-wing propaganda of the type seen on Fox and previously on TheDonald, and includes a QAnon group

    Ah, the zionist type. Yes, they do tend to operate 'both sides'.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    It would seem that there are professionals in Russia, Israel and China who - rather than push an obvious agenda - just try to push polarizing content, to get people to engage and fight over that content. The overall benefit of this is to help polarize general discourses and by extension polarize political discourses. Authoritarian politicians and governments benefit from this (for reasons that hopefully do not bear mentioning, even if this may require an explanation on Saidit, where some fo the users who wouldn't recognize shills nonetheless want to call anyone on the 'left' or 'center' a shill.). For example, disinformation campaigns are - arguably - run by 'shills', however we define them. Those campaigns receive funding from people who want to push propaganda and disinformation.

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Can you explain this comment about pushing polarizing content in the context of this other comment you posted? I mean, is it just you operating that account, or are there others who use it sometimes?

    The comment I'm replying to appears to be critical of the account that posted the quoted comment below, and I'm wondering what's going on here.

    socks 3 insightful - 0 fun - 14 hours ago*

    Horrux - what would you want to post that is too extreme for Saidit? I see mainly far-right disinformation, misinformation, propaganda, racism, Nazis, sexism, anti-vax, anarchism, Republicans, hatred, criminals, and occasional informative posts on this site. That's one reason I visit the site (even if I don't agree with much of it, I won't see it elsewhere). I cannot imagine what you're talking about. Are you referencing material that's on Parler, Ruqqus, Win, Gab, 8chan, or 16chan? Really, what's missing here? [Edit: words]

    What could you possibly have against Nazis? Who would be "pro-vax"? Do you not believe there are 'races'? Is there only one sex? Did you mean to type Demoncrat? (ha) What was the criteria for creating that list?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    Node - thanks, though:

    It doesn't really matter who I am, nor should it. Even if you knew, could we just discuss what's at issue, rather than try all the guesswork?

    What could I possibly have against Nazis? I suppose: genocide. That, and authoritarianism, rerestriction of the press, restrictions on the way of life, and the means by which the Nazis took control between 1933 and 1939.

    Pro-vax is a term used by anti-vaxxers to label the 99% who agree with scientists about the importance of vaccines.

    Yes, there is there are chromosomal races, geographical races, and physiological race.

    No, there is not only one sex.

    I don't see 'Democrat' in the post.

    The list identifies what I've seen thus far on Saidit.

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    Just to illustrate the issue I take with the quality of the items on your list, it was the Germans who were being genocided by the jews in Weimar Germany. Remember when "World Judea declare war on Germany" in I think '33? Even then, Hitler tried to send them back to a mideast homeland.

    We're living in Weimar America right now, and our only hope is the very things you criticize that saved Germany. At least until you know who fomented war against them.

    When you post stuff like that, it seems as if you're intentionally spreading leftist propaganda.

    But people can believe whatever they're inclined to, propaganda or not, and should be prepared to reap the consequences of their choices. Although it doesn't matter if they're prepared. Consequences are going to happen no matter what.

    [–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

    /u/socks I'm afraid us rural folks are not living in a Weimar republic. I found myself a cow and some sheep, heard them with my dogs into the barn and can find no degeneracy or pornography here. My individualism dictates my life. Though, sure, go to Hollyweird and I'm sure you'll find drug parties, maybe even the weird tranny shemale lap dance house... okay, then you have a point, that that is the equivilent of Weimar but only its detestable elements.

    One of the serious problems that don't get into the history books is that Jewish business people were encouraging others not to buy German goods, because of a dispute (which I forget at the moment). This was quite serious, and turned public opinion against Jews in Germany. There was already anger about Jews, for other reasons, and as part of a long history of this. But Jewish business people who wanted to pick a fight with German businesses during the interwar period fucked up, big time.

    Yes, the boycott went both ways. Prominent, mostly anti-Zionist Jews but so too Zionsit Jews instituted a boycott on German goods and prominent political German leaders on Jewish goods. There was a war between anti-Zionist Diaspora Jews and pro-ZIonist Jews, and in the latter, infighting remained among the territorialists, revisionist ZIonists and Herzlites. Herzl himself said the diaspora Jew is a kike and an arrow is aimed at his breast. Hitler worked with Zionists up to around 1938 before stopping the Haavara agreement and had SS thrown Zionist elements in concentration camps including the Rothschild banking family and subsequently armed palestinian resistence against those Jews that did leave for Palesine and the Zionsits who already were there well before Hitler ever thought of becoming leader of Germany. Such anti-Jew sentiments did not come out of nowhere, however. There was some truth to it in regards to high finance and the high percentage of Jewish Bolshevik communists in Russia, Hungary and Germany. Hitler wasn't completely wrong in regards to Jewish high finance and the war that international Jewish bankers waged on Germany.

    All this said, does one have to become a National Socialist to see that Zionists are alien to American interests? No.

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    Many thanks, Jesus. This is one of the most informative and well-written comments I've read on Saidit in a while. Indeed, infighting among Jewish groups in the '30s, and earlier, is something we rarely hear about, and perhaps one sees this continuing today in racist publications of Steven Pinker (re. the Ashkenazim, attributing to genes what sometimes can instead be cronyism, among other factors) and in concerns among more liberal Jews for the abuses of the Zionists in the US. Moreover, historic antagonism between the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim and Mizrahim should be considered, as these groups have very different histories, and they've clashed in the 20th century, it would seem. And now, any critics of the Zionist movement are shut down, where possible, by a number of supportive groups. It's very interesting, and very difficult for me to understand or trace. Your comments about the Jewish infighting in 1930s help. Perhaps Polish, and formerly Prussian, Jews were also part of this infighting. I recall the Haavara agreement, though will now read more about the reasons for it's cancellation in 1939. It seems this was good for the German export economy, though only 60,000 Jews moved to Palestine during the 6 years of the agreement. In any event, I've found thaat historians can discuss the history of WWII tanks at length but have not read or understood what happened with the Ashkenazim and fellow Jews during 1933-39. Cheers

    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Just living in a rural place doesn't exempt you from state and federal laws. Here's an example from a mountain of similar attacks.

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/16/california-bill-proposes-removing-cops-who-express-religious-or-conservative-beliefs/

    Even rural folks can be imprisoned for objecting to the genital mutilation of their children in some places. It's good you're out of the concentrated craziness, but it's here, and it's spreading rapidly.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Node - I've merely described what's in almost every history text about the period 1933-39 in Germany. Hopefully you know this. It's not propaganda and it's not a political idioliology. (Why is everything so political on Saidit...?) It's what the majority think.

    Now - you want to discuss the specifics of German history c. 1933-39? Fine, happy to do it. /u/Jesus would happily join us, I'm sure (and would agree with you).

    One of the serious problems that don't get into the history books is that Jewish business people were encouraging others not to buy German goods, because of a dispute (which I forget at the moment). This was quite serious, and turned public opinion against Jews in Germany. There was already anger about Jews, for other reasons, and as part of a long history of this. But Jewish business people who wanted to pick a fight with German businesses during the interwar period fucked up, big time.

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      [–]christnmusicreleases 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      "Ruqqus is an open-source platform for online communities, free of censorship and moderator abuse by design."

      The white supremacists you are referring to are Zionist Jew shills, and didn't move in until Voat imploded.

      The benefits of Ruqqus are very clear: you can't have your posts censored, they are just moved back to general if the guildmaster doesn't want it in his guild. You're able to maintain ten guilds at once. If you want to create more, you can abandon a current guild and create a new one, the old one will go unmoderated (thus preventing abuses of power but allowing unlimited potential creation). If you're kicked from a guild, you can make one on the same topic with a slightly different name. There are no post limits. There are no rate limits. You can block users and guilds if you want to ignore certain content, or set filters in the settings if you don't like politics, NSFW or other things. It's pretty much the best codebase to allow free speech for all sides of the political spectrum. If you want to live in an echo chamber, you can. If you want dissenting opinion you can have that as well. It's all there, everything. And it's not managed by big tech or an intel front. I hope that some day Saidit has the same degree of free speech here, from far left, to center, to far right.

      [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Ruqqus a site for white supremacists

      It's hard to believe people still think that's a thing. Where are you getting this information from?

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Don't try the whataboutism on me.

      If you're interested, look at the responses, including: "That...sounds suspicious to be honest."

      (And don't tell me what to do.)