We are being forced by our server company to remove a big sub from saidit

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[–]fred_red_beans 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Not sorry to see that sub go.

IMO, IP2 was contrary to the Pyramid of Debate as the main emphasis of IP2 was to degrade and demean others. Outside of the debate structure itself, what is the Pyramid of Debate for other than to help the individual to question and to learn? To help enlighten the individual, not beat them down. There's a difference between conveying information saying some people treat others like shit and saying you the fellow saiditor are shit. It's not an act in good faith. To me, acting in good faith is being able to accept another's point of view whether you agree or not. But if your point of view is fuck everybody, or fuck this group or that group, I don't think it's conducive to the enlightenment of others. It only lends itself to ill will. Now, I think it's fair to say I see this group as doing such and such and I disagree with it, but to say fuck that group just because is just prejudice and akin to Name Calling.

As I see it, if your main point is just to degrade or demean others, you really have no point at all.

[–]Dragonerne 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Do I get to define what "degrade and demean others" mean then?
When feminists say men and women are equals, do I get to remove and censor their subs? Clearly they are degrading men that are stronger.
What about when someone says blacks and whites are equally intelligent? Do I get to censor their subs? Clearly they are degrading whites down to the level of blacks.

Your interpretation of PoD will be subject to abuse because it can easily be turned into "sexism, racism, etc. bad" and we all know who gets to decide what sexism and racism is and it's not those speaking the truth, it's those wanting to hide the truth and those that want to destroy the white civilization.

[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Do I get to define what "degrade and demean others" mean then?

Sure, for yourself, but this site's parameters are set by the admins.

You feel degraded if you're not told your superior? It's your choice to believe you're a victim I guess. You only degrade yourself...

[–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You feel degraded if you're not told your superior?

Do you feel degraded if I say that you're like a monkey? I mean it's your choice to believe you're a victim I guess. You only degrade yourself...

[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

LoL! Not at all - I like monkeys!

[–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Okay and if I compared all blacks to monkeys, then that'd be fine too I guess. Not at all degrading, right? We like monkeys after all.

[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How are you comparing blacks to monkeys? There are similarities between monkeys and humans. If you feel the need to compare blacks to monkeys because you feel you need to prove that whites are superior, I would suggest you perhaps seek some counseling, you may have problems with inadequacy or an inferiority complex. I do see there are physical and cultural differences between races, but to state one race is superior to another only shows weakness in the individual who states it, IMO.

[–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Why is it degrading to compare blacks to monkeys?

[–]fred_red_beans 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As I see it, racism itself is and always has been a tool to divide people. Some people are afraid of racists, others think they are racist. Everyone uses discrimination to ascertain their environment and other people. Many are ignorant and follow the propaganda given to them from authorities or groups. It would seem that those who are willing to find and consider conflicting information and draw their own conclusions are in the minority. We are all of the same human race who has been divided through the generations and pitted against each other to be controlled by the few. Before the tower of Babel there was only one language.

Are you racist?

Would you find the following comment upon comment of

blacks are monkeys

in any way informative or enlightening?

I don't. I think it's content that's neither and is just negative towards others.

Is your point of being on Saidit to prove your superiority, or the superiority of whites over blacks?

[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and is just negative towards others.

I assume you mean it's negative, because blacks are superior to monkeys?

Is your point of being on Saidit to prove the superiority of blacks over monkeys? Are you racist? Don't you think racism has been a tool to divide people and monkeys?

[–]yellow_algebra_31 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it would help if the Pyramid of Debate rules were much clearer. It's a bit subjective and unevenly enforced right now. This creates a problem where neither users nor mods really know what the standards are, and enforcement is uneven and thus unfair. And where users don't have a clear idea of what's being censored and what's not.

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

While I agree with your assessment, I would still say that as long as it was only showing up to those who were subbed, then it wasn't hurting anything. Except, you know the doxxing and stuff. No excuse there.

[–]fred_red_beans 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

it wasn't hurting anything

Except the large overhead of admins having to constantly deal with adverse traffic (DDOS etc) and monitor the sub, ultimately leading to the host threatening to pull the site entirely.

I think there were a few users who were from IP2 who came over to the other subs and could actually articulate a point, but if all you have to say is nigger and faggot, I don't see that there's any point or anything worthwhile for anyone else, and there were users who came into the other subs and did exactly that. It's just adolescent behavior from those who get off on degrading others. It's just shit content that brings down the site.

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    [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm banning you again because you repeatedly drag discussion down the pyramid of debate and now you're ban evading as well.