An Appeal to Set Expectations Accurately: SaidIt values Fact-based Discussion more than Free Speech

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[–]Tiwaking 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Does content get removed if it's down-pyramid?

No as content is evidence of bad behaviour. Unless it is doxing, child porn, NAMBLA, pornography, or calls to attack people (though even that needs to be held as evidence).

How many warnings do people get?

Three. Unless it is doxing, child porn, NAMBLA, etc.

It seems there is some inconsistency in what SaidIt is trying to be.

Oh? Saidit is a place where you can say stuff and not get censored unless it is NAMBLA, violence, or porn related.

I don't think it's possible to both provide a full alternative to reddit, and be a site that seriously maintains a high level of discussion as defined by the pyramid

After reading peoples experiences with the current reddit.......reddit doesnt seem to be reddit any more. So, I agree: this place cannot provide a full alternative to reddit, and that is because Reddit has no principles.

The principles which formed reddit have been repeatedly violated and stomped on to leave an unrecognizable mess that people think is reddit, but in reality is a cold dead corpse of a once good idea.

This place appears to want to have interesting and open debates while preventing arguments devolving into "ur mum, no u" without preventing random shitposting.

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Saidit is a place where you can say stuff and not get censored unless it is NAMBLA, violence, or porn related.

I don't think that's accurate: this is an example I linked in my OP. I've never visited the sub, but I don't think "lowering the pyramid level" and "making us more like voat" are NAMBLA, violence, or pornography.

If expectations were set accurately, I would not have been surprised to find a sub like that had been removed with that kind of justification -- it would have just been the kind of thing I had expected to see here because the project was described accurately to me.

[–]Tiwaking 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't think that's accurate

I agree with you.

What I've stated is what is intended by the pyramid. I dont know how or if it is enforced. I know it is not enforced evenly across the site though, as different subs handle situations differently. Also, different situations (and users) require different approaches. If you sow the wind, then prepare to reap the whirlwind!

Then again, some people cant even follow the rules which are given on the rules page.

I guess what Im trying to say is: If you see a situation which seems unfair, then complain. If you see a situation which IS unfair: Fight.

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I guess what Im trying to say is: If you see a situation which seems unfair, then complain. If you see a situation which IS unfair: Fight.

Well, I was trying to do something more constructive with this post than just complaining: I specifically meant to ask people to promote SaidIt in a way that gives more accurate expectations.

I do think there's unfairness here, but making SaidIt into what I think it says it is, or the kind of community I'd like... well, that seems a bit much for a random user. And I don't think I'm going to get the mods admins to care if they already don't -- maybe they will, that would be great, but I'm reminded of a video I saw a while ago.

(CW following) The youtuber in this video talked about experiencing abuse at the hands of a family member, and telling another family member about the abuse, only to have that person defend the person who'd done the abuse. The youtuber talked about how they came to believe that people only do that kind of abuse if it seemed safe for them in the first place. People know about wrong things, and about getting away with wrong things. They wouldn't have done it if they thought they wouldn't get away with it, or if they really thought it was wrong, in the first place.

After a certain point the SaidIt admins either address it or they don't; I think there are probably better ways to get the kind of community I want than continuing to interact if I don't like their decision. Hopefully I've made my point and if this is indeed an issue for others, my post will remain here as a help to anyone dealing with a similar issue.

[–]Tiwaking 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think there are probably better ways to get the kind of community I want than continuing to interact if I don't like their decision. Hopefully I've made my point and if this is indeed an issue for others, my post will remain here as a help to anyone dealing with a similar issue.

Ahh I see. In that case having your own sub is the way to go. Im sure they'll be people in the future who have a similar issue.

Well, I was trying to do something more constructive with this post than just complaining: I specifically meant to ask people to promote SaidIt in a way that gives more accurate expectations.

Hmmm......

Saidit

The Retirement Home of Reddit

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

your own sub

I think having my own website and my own website hosting and my own country and ... well, this could get to be a long chain. I'll probably have to pick the most suitable group willing to host me as I go for a while since I don't have my own personal country at the moment.

retirement home

SaidIt doesn't feel like a reflective retirement home to me; the community though small feels pretty vital, active, and interesting. People who come to "fringe" things like this are often a bit on the cutting edge creative types who are excited about building new possibilities.