Another great example of how lies propagate on Reddit

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

I agree that the meme completely misrepresents the reality of the marijuana charge. It's bogus.

Either way, I didn't see his rebuttal justifying the 6 months for the 3 sexual assault felonies.

Surely, the "lawyer" has some legal wisdom to enlighten us with that outcome.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (30 children)

3 bullshit charges. He fingered a drunk girl in an alley. He himself being also totally plastered, and her being totally up for it until the moment she passed out half way through the act. If she didn't consent, neither did he.

[–][deleted] 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

He fingered a drunk girl in an alley

On the ground, dry humping her passed out body behind a dumpster while she was above a .22 BAC. We've gotten to a point where that behavior is normalized I guess but it's fucked imo.

The human race is slowly devolving back into fucking chimps.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

On the ground, dry humping her passed out body behind a dumpster while she was above a .22 BAC.

He was just as drunk. If she wasn't responsible for her actions, neither was he.

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

She wasn't acting upon anything. She was passive. My dude, if you're drunk, get behind the wheel, and kill someone accidentally, you are very much so responsible for your actions.

Also, you are a rape apologist.

[–]King_Brutus 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

The difference with the drunk driving is that it's a clear perpetrator and victim. Rape cases where both parties are drunk get far more blurrier due to lack of evidence most of the time (in no small part due to lack of administering rape kits following allegations) and rely on testimony. This is why people are so skeptical of rape charges most of the time, nobody is actually like "yeah go rape", it's that the lines aren't as clearly defined due to facts not being as 100% concrete.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

No. The man was on top of the woman acting upon her. It's pretty clear to me mate.

This is why people are so skeptical of rape charges most of the time

It's usually men who are skeptical, not a vague "people".

[–]King_Brutus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

I'm not even specifically talking about this case, he was found guilty based on the evidence. But that doesn't make the guy you responded to incorrect. They were both drunk and people are responsible for their actions no matter if they are drunk or sober, it's not "rape apology" so take your righteous anger elsewhere.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

It very much makes him incorrect. If a man and woman are drunk, and the man is acting upon a woman who is passively lying there, the man is a rapist and is responsible for his actions. The woman is not. The vast majority of the time, this is how it actually happens. It's not the woman acting upon the man (although that can happen).

Who is angry though? Calm your penis down, Kyle. You rape apologist.

[–]King_Brutus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Who is angry though? Calm your penis down, Kyle. You rape apologist.

Go back to reddit

[–]bald-janitor 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Ok Newton

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Think about what you are saying.

What is the alternative system? If you're drunk, anything goes? By killing a fifth of fireball, a woman basically implicitly agrees to wave all protection from sexual aggression/violence? That's insane.

[–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Rape can be bad and also women/men should be responsible for their own safety when they drink. The two can exist at the same time.

[–]just_lesbian_things 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The difference with the drunk driving is that it's a clear perpetrator and victim

If she was drunkenly fingering and humping his ass, I would also support her being put on the sex offender registry and getting more than 6 months in prison.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Never mind the fact that fingerbanging a girl is not rape in my book (and no law book in the world until incredibly recently), you can be passive and drunk and still be responsible for your actions. For instance, passing out drunk in the middle of the road and causing an accident. You can also be incredibly active and drunk and deemed not in control of your actions.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Never mind the fact that fingerbanging a girl is not rape in my book

Your book is not objective reality.

no law book in the world until incredibly recently

You say this as if it makes it any less valid.

you can be passive and drunk and still be responsible for your actions

Literally not in this case.

passing out drunk in the middle of the road and causing an accident

How do you cause an accident? You mean someone running over you? That would be their fault, unless it's one of those extremely rare cases where you happen to suddenly just drop in the middle of the street RIGHT in front of a car. Then it's just bad fucking luck on both sides.

lol

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What.....?

What actions? She didn't do anything illegal. He did. There is zero evidence she even gave a slurred shitfaced consent; she had a .22 BAC and was completely incoherent as evident by voicemails she left at 1:00 AM.

When people question the actions of women who blackout at large parties, it isn't questioning the legality. It's "do they have accompanying friends?" or "is the crowd there safe?" or anything else like that. It's questioning their situational awareness.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

She didn't do anything illegal. He did.

Was it unjust though?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not following. Was it unjust that she was blackout drunk with him? Again, for the record there is no evidence that their advances were recipricol; all evidence seems to indicate that she was incoherent.

Even if she wasn't incoherent, she was beyond hammered. There was a time where "being a man" meant not preying on the vulnerable but I guess that's antiquated now.

[–]zephyranthes 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He hid behind a dumpster to rape her and ran when the Swedes found him.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even consenting couples don't exactly fuck in the middle of the street mate.