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[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I’ve met lots of trans people in real life. I have close trans friends. Most of the lgbt spaces in my city (a very large city), have very few lesbians in them. It’s mostly Q, T, Bi and non binary now. The only community members that have their own spaces are gay men. Every woman’s space is co-opted by anyone but lesbians. I think a lot of lesbians are just sick of being the group that has to include everyone so they stop going out. Other reasons, as well, but it’s alienating to even try to go into the community. What you see on dating apps is what exists in reality where I am

[–]SailorMoon2020 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think we have ourselves to blame for this. Gay clubs and even clubs in general have no problem telling people they don't desire 'no' at the front door even if it's straight up discrimination like the clubs in LA that don't let black women in, or the gay clubs that don't let femmes in.

Everyone knows the gay male community is discrimatory, ignorant, and arrogant and generally speaking, they're okay with having this shallow image portrayed onto them.

So what is it we are afraid of to tell people we do not desire 'no' at the front door? Are we afraid of harrassment, the negative publicity, etc?

Discrimination laws are great but it makes it even harder to exclude those you do not desire without creating an elitist group such as the Hollywood Sewing Circle.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well, not enough of us have self defence or weapons training of any kind, not that I am advocating for it or anything, but I think women feel more likely to be targets of actual male violence. And also women generally seem to have more empathy for other minorities etc, gay men have a history of being straight up beaten and abandoned by society, including their families. Probably not as much now as in the past, but they are less likely to be worried about looking bad in a world that is indifferent to hateful toward them. Gay men are still being killed for being gay in some places. I’m personally not afraid of being a dyke everyone hates but I have years fight training and whatnot.

But where I live it’s illegal to exclude people based on gender identity and it would absolutely ruin a business if the public heard about it, even if it was just a bar for lesbians. It’s not that you can’t decide who comes into your establishment, but the constant harassment and protests would make it way harder. People are much more horrible to women than they would dare to be to men.

Edit: So it is not so simple to blame ourselves exclusively. We should have better boundaries on an individual level, but this has become a societal problem now. I mean being shut down for being considered “bigots” or “terfs” or whichever group it is that counters the popular narrative. Even vegans get businesses shut down where I live. Lol

Edit again: Also, not all trans ppl and non-lesbians are horrible. The majority are fine and don’t cause problems as individuals, but something seems to happen when there is some indication of “exclusion” or “bigot terfs” and people stop using their brains and just attack without thinking. I have friends who are totally cool but become rabid nutcases over this issue. It’s definitely like a borg collective

[–]SailorMoon2020 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reasonably put.

[–]LesbiSilly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ever thought of a lesbian speakeasy?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It would be fun to make one with an actual 20s30s theme

[–]LesbiSilly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Love it!