Robots Are Taking All The Jobs!

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[–]Canbot 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

This is a very superficial and ignorant view of the situation. It is not one or the other in reality. When you buy a washing machine a robot took your job. When you buy a sprinkler system, a robot took your job. The computer saves you time when you need to do research. The printer saves you time when you need to write a report. The microwave saves you time when you need to prepare food.

When you buy a fridge you don't need ice delivery for your ice box and the ice man loses his job. When you watch tv instead of reading the paper the paper boy cuts himself. Is that your fault? Do you feel bad? Should you still have an ice box instead of a fridge?

Technology is there for you to take advantage of and make the second frame your life. If you don't do shit but sit on your lazy ass, do the bare minimum, squander your free time and money on entertainment; then you have no right to demand that those who leverage technology to make their life better share their hard earned benefits with you.

inb4 but I don't have the money to buy technology. FUCK YOU, you dumb cell phone having, fast food eating, internet browsing, holiday shopping, vacation taking, luxury indulging, free time squandering bullshitter. Get a job like the rest of us and save up enough to make something of yourself. Earn the respect of people who know you so they will invest in you. Get together with your socialist masturbating cohorts and pool together $20 to start a hot dog stand.

[–]wecandobetter 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

CORRECT. Every advancement has left some people out in the cold, but new opportunities always result. Fact is, every individual human IS working less and consuming more. Is this, strictly speaking, a good thing? Idk. But the promise of automation was certainly not a lie.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Broad averages and generalizations don't paint a picture, they muddy it.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You mean like the way this picture paints automation with a broad brush?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn't. It paints one picture, and nowhere in it does it state that it's THE ONLY PICTURE.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Working for the ruling class. Let'st start by cutting out their consumption and their consumerist social engineering, not to mention all the false "solutions" that are only profitable perpetual suffering systems.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

This is rife with misconceptions of such superficial truthfulness that I won't waste my time debunking the elements of your post. Instead I will suggest that you study a bit deeper than the first page on every topic you touched upon in your post, which will eventually lead you to conclusions that are absolutely different from the mindlessness displayed here.

[–]Canbot 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Oh I love this argument. "I'd prove you wrong but I don't want to". The wailing cry of an NPC struggling to maintain cognitive dissonance. It's as iconic as the blue screen of death.

[–]Klondike 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I think it's more the tired words of someone who's been down this road before. Why put the work in if the person you are responding to is just going to brush you off anyway? May as well tell them to do it themselves.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

May as well not say anything at all. It's better to say nothing and let people think you are an idiot, than open your mouth and prove them right.

But if you think that is an argument that is more than retarded nonsense, than I assure you everything you believe is wrong and you should do your research to figure it out. Now off you go to do your research.

[–]Klondike 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Oh I love this argument. "I'd prove you wrong but I don't want to".

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You can't argue if you can't concede.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The woke don't argue. They don't debate. Here's why: https://newdiscourses.com/2020/07/woke-wont-debate-you-heres-why/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I have severe health issues. Concentrating for more than a few seconds at a time is very difficult these days. Why would I toil with the tiny bit of life left in me to prove to somebody how deluded their views are, when they are in fact visibly arguing in bad faith and will not accept TRUTH when it is given them as a honest gift?

And I am many things, but part of the left I am most certainly not.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

But my bootstraps broke.

[–]RedditExPat69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Post of the Day nominee

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

True. But subversive subhumans are bent on enslaving what will remain of mankind once they're done forcing us to invent machines that will allow them to genocide humanity and still live in unearned luxury. It is absolutely revolting perversion: in their image.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

When you're truthful to yourself and others you almost always are in jail with one leg. I totally support your argument.

[–]lesbomama 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

i am a robot.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, my personal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB-8 .

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

The second option won't happen much any society.

Most people enjoy working. Men in particular have a drop in their mental health the longer they are out of work. I get teens are tired all the time so the idea of structured work is horrifying but that isn't the normal state of human beings.

[–]insta 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I get teens are tired all the time

A good sleep cycle is key. Once I hit my mid-20s I started having a regular sleep schedule and not staying up till 2 with friends or playing video games; it improved my life considerably.

[–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Ok boomer

[–]insta 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

just wait.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

The key is to own the machines and robots. Then they actually do free you up. But if your job is simply replaced with a robot you don't own, then you're just out of a stream of money, and people generally need money to survive

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Bingo. That's not so hard to understand, yet so many people repeat tired old drivel of "we're better off (as an average) than wihtout" completely oblivious of the fact that during the last 60 years, median worker productivity has increased by 140% while worker compensation in real terms has diminished by over 30%.

--> SOME of us are WAY WAY WAAAAYYY better off;

--> MOST of use are only better off than 100 years ago or so, and less and less so;

--> MORE and more of us are doing more AWFUL than 200 years ago or so, but many choose to regurgitate factoidal falsehoods to justify their views;

But yes, the average keeps going up, that's not a miracle of technology, it is simply the "miracle" of the blood, sweat and tears of the many, concentrated into the pockets of the few and dragging the average upwards.

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No one is lacking in understanding when they say "We're better off". You are simply (falsely) assuming they must not understand if they don't agree with you.

That workers earn less per widget is not a fault with technology. That workers earn less per hour is not a fault of technology. You are blaming technology for shit that has nothing to do with it, and then claiming that technology is bad. That is not logical.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

100% ill faith. Thank you for sparing me the time to write a lenghty reply to your other drivel.

BLOCKED.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

IMO, you should ignore not block. The block feature was a terrible addition.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I agree, I want to. But then I get into these arguments with people of ill faith and you know how that ends: wasted time.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

"Horrux" and all my "friends" show up in red. I often read them first. Instead of "block", maybe we need a different colour for those we wish to ignore - like an "unfriend" list. Maybe /u/d3rr can copypasta this feature? (As if it were that simple.)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, I've asked for other lists on the s/saidit or some other sub. Like "ideological opponent", "jewlover", and so on. Sometimes when I feel like arguing, these lists might be very useful. Custom lists would be the best I think. ;-)

But yeah it's probably more than a tiny bit of work.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Custom labels would be great. "read/unread" "flag/unflag" Metatagging. Custom personal flair. Invisible to all but you and/or for all to see - either or both would be great.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's what makes it so destructive that the Left has not just abandoned the working class, but now actively hates the working class. Is there a problem they're not to blame for? Brexit, Trump, racism, you name it. They did it all, and it's time to hurt them. Hurt them bad.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This.

[–]philosopher 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know if they're taking all the jobs, but the bots have sure taken over posting links to saidit this week

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    [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Work ethic is good. But the work must be valued. Much work is undervalued. And more than just work is valuable. All decorations on everything - all design, all art, all entertainment - none of it is absolutely necessary. And yet it is and it can be valued. There are those with skill and those without, and none are instantly skilled. Values get very subjective. Sadly our world is binary: money or not.

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Next you're going to tell me that capitalism is an efficient system for the transfer of goods and services with a fiat currency.

      It's all political and there's more to life than money. I've already said too much. I'd explain further but not without getting paid.

      [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      In any group of humans, half will be below average. What do you do with them? Gas them?

      Even after you liquidate them, you've now still got a group with half below average. When does it stop? With a few million elites and their housekeepers and child prostitutes?

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That's their plan, yes. Except it's the lowest of the low who will be left if their plan succeeds.

      But my guess is they'll keep farming smart but brainwashed humans.

      [–]horatioherbert 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

      This is how technology was introduced, explained and sold to the working class: think of all the free time you'll have with automation doing the work.

      [–]wecandobetter 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

      ..and that's exactly the way it turned out. I'm able to work a mere 40 hrs a week (as opposed to the ~119 hr/wk required for a self-sufficient agrarian existence), and be productive enough to earn a comfortable living. Then I go home, exercise, watch mindless television, pursue hobbies etc. The self-maintenance chores I'm required to do are also highly automated and require minimal time and effort. I vacuumed my whole house, did the dishes and laundry, mowed the whole yard, and paid my bills yesterday in <3 hrs. Then I went back to doing thefuckIwant. How has automation not delivered on its promise?

      [–]horatioherbert 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      No working class in self sufficient agrarian existence. My point is contemporary working class hasn’t fared well in jobs with advances in technology and you chime in with 10,000 year old agricultural living

      [–]wecandobetter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      ....except that agricultural societies only began to emerge 10000 years ago. I'd even argue the process of keeping plants and animals to eat instead of chasing them down is a form of automation.

      [–]horatioherbert 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Indeed the knowledge to construct a pen for livestock and using dogs/falcons to hunt is technology, so undoubtedly the overall effect of technology has been positive on humanity(machines of war aside). The post specifically referred to technology putting unskilled people out of work to which I agree. One function of the state is labor

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

      It is a known fact that serfs worked their fields UP TO 30 hours a week. Source: University economics & history.

      [–]wecandobetter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      Cool and then there was food to process and cook, clothes to sew and clean, tools to work on, buildings to repair and on and on and on...you're missing almost the entire picture of life pre-industrialization.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Yes, but bad capitalism didn't come and separate us from what we produce. And that is a huge huge huge cost. You enjoy inexpensive food, but if you had to work in an abattoir for a day of your life, you might switch over to very expensive, organic and humane food.

      This is just an example of how "automation" separates us from the things we use, and how it breeds ignorance, which is a huge cost and very harmful. You love your Nikes? Spend a day visiting the sweatshops that make them and you may very well cry their weight in tears of sorrow, guilt and remorse. But capitalism and automation HIDES the TRUTH of what we do and what we consume, and that is a HUGE distortion.

      Overall, are we actually better off? We're poisoning the world, razing entire ecosystems, torturing animals... But none of these downsides is registered or accounted for by our industrialized consumerist habits. Modern, automation-using, industrialized and capitalist people are less happy than "savages" living on nature.

      Add all the benefits AND ALL THE COSTS and look how far ahead we are. We may well be behind.

      [–]wecandobetter 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      I have plenty of problems with mindless consumerism and of the terrible cost of the modern standard of living. Furthermore I'll have you know I don't own a single pair of Nikes. I live pretty simply. But this cartoon isn't about any of those things. It's just arguing that automation hasn't given us more free time...but it definitely has.

      [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      It doesn't say "free time". It's interesting how everyone is reading this Rorschach test of a cartoon.

      I read it like... "Because you don't own a piece of the means of production."

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      That's why they want everyone to become autistic automatons.

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      ^

      [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      We will either totally merge with the machines, including AI, or be genocide'd by the machines we've created. Homo sapiens is just a very shitty boot disk for the ultimate inorganic species.

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Because you don't own a piece of the means of production.

      Start your own democratic worker directed enterprise = /s/Cooperatives.

      [–]manumilitari 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      That's the mentality of a loser who doesn't understand how life works. If a robot replaces you, it means you were probably doing something not very complicated.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Very soon, robots will replace theoretical physicists (well supercomputers coupled with quantum computers, anyway), surgeons and airline pilots.

      What then, you know?

      I'll tell you what then: the subhuman parasites behind most of the suffering on this planet are going to try their best to erase genetic lines the least suited to the roles of slaves and keep just enough stock to revive the human race if they somehow need it. They will have obtained the most beautiful planet in the universe.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      And then there are the rebels... Somehow it looks to me like many of them are already gathering here.

      [–]flugegeheimen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      are going to try their best to erase genetic lines the least suited to the roles of slaves

      You are mixing two incompatible fantasy settings. The entire dramatic point of the one with robots is that humans aren't needed, let alone human slaves.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You are missing the point: human slaves aren't there to do things that robots can't do, because technically, sufficiently advanced robots can do anything. But robots don't suffer, bleed or die.

      That's what they need humans for. To torture, bleed, rape, kill. And to SERVE them. How else are they going to give themselves the feelings of superiority that only inferior beings seek? We're talking about subhuman parasites here, not model citizens.

      [–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      What is "monetary income" but a substitute for self sustenance? The guy on the left seems to not understand that he needs to produce for himself - or - produce for others in exchange for food and shelter. The guy on the right has figured out a way to produce more with the use of robots, therefore giving himself more time to do other things.

      [–]Ossidiana 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Give it time, just give it time. Ever read the Judge Dredd comics? If we're keeping with our current rate of increased population + increased automation, it won't seem so surreal anymore to see a society where 90% of the people don't work and live with the house, money and stuff that the government will give them.

      [–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Why would the second frame be justified? That person didn't make the robot that automated their job, they are not entitled to that profit. People have been warning about automation for decades now, so it hasn't happened fast enough for people to have been victimized by it.