Virtue SignalingThe fascists have come in disguise as Antifa just as predicted

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[–]Lovebirds_fury 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Wtf. What climate change has to do with lgbt rights?

This world is becoming a madhouse. What a bunch of deranged idiots.

We haven't time to spare, apparently. We need women rights, gay rights, raising awareness about slavery, measures to prevent world hunger and saving the oceans in the same event, please. Our identity isn't diluted enough, gay men must become an unholy amalgamation of social causes, schizophrenic people screaming about nazis in every conversation

[–]chazzstrong 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I don't want to pull out the 'politics' card, but it should be obvious at this point that ALL of this ideological leftist bullshit is thinly veiled authoritarianism wrapped in a flimsy, transparent package of identity politics. Liberalism as we might have practiced it a decade ago has shifted so much to the 'right' based on modern day leftism that it's essentially Conservatism without religion.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

but it should be obvious at this point that ALL of this ideological leftist bullshit is thinly veiled authoritarianism wrapped in a flimsy, transparent package of identity politics

Yes, it should be obvious. But it's tough to get any sort of discussion about this going when people act like authoritarianism is only a right-wing phenomenon. So many people I know on the left believe that. "But what about Mao?" "Oh that doesn't count, that's just one example." But there are way more examples... e.g. there have been multiple authoritarian regimes in South American countries over the last century-- politically right and left ones.

There's a meme where someone is standing in one place between two other people, and one of the other two people moves way out to an extreme end, such that the person in the middle is suddenly "right wing" even though their views didn't change at all, comparatively speaking. I relate to that a lot even though most of my actual views are very liberal...

[–]chazzstrong 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLetfgTXEAAXHSs.jpg

That's my favorite one, and painfully on-point in regards to my own experience.
I asked questions, I was told one should NOT ask those questions, I persisted....and just like that, I evolved into a right-wing fascist.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's a good one. I've known a number of people who have had the experience of that meme, too.

Just curious, would you actually describe yourself as a right-wing fascist? Or are you just using the term sarcastically as a far-left TRA would, calling everyone who even slightly disagrees with them far-right? (Sorry if the sarcasm sailed over my head, it's late over here and I'm a little tired.)

[–]chazzstrong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ironically. They call anyone who doesn't lock-step with Progressive ideologies a right-wing fascist. For stating I didn't believe in all that gender-queer nonbinary bullshit I've had entire accounts locked, friends dumped me, and been blasted as everything under the sun. All because I believe in science and reality. The BEST irony is that, up to 2016, I only ever voted Democrat and was a hardcore Liberal. However no way in hell was I voting for Hillary, so I sat it out, and then in 2020 made the full switch and voted Independent / Republican. If RFK would just shut his fucking mouth about hate-speech and gun confiscation, I might be tempted to vote Democrat again in 2024.

I'm in that awkward position where a lot of my politics put me in circles with fairly right-wing people, yet I'm open about being part of the LGB community. I get a lot of 'slippery slope' bullshit, but I try my hardest to get these bumpkin edgelords to understand the difference in trans-groomers and the normal 'gays' who just want to live their lives well away from everyone's children.

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gotcha, that all makes sense, thanks for explaining. I relate to a ton of what you wrote. Particularly this:

I'm in that awkward position where a lot of my politics put me in circles with fairly right-wing people, yet I'm open about being part of the LGB community. I get a lot of 'slippery slope' bullshit, but I try my hardest to get these bumpkin edgelords to understand the difference in trans-groomers and the normal 'gays' who just want to live their lives well away from everyone's children.

It makes me sad to see the kinds of connotations some people have with LGB now because of the TQ+. But I figure the best thing I can do to combat those mental associations is to just be myself and show through my actions that it's entirely possible to be sane and confident in yourself and L/G/B without having to plaster rainbow decorations and posts all over social media.

Hope you're able to find some thoughtful people who understand that LGB != TQ.

[–]chazzstrong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, the worst part is that the bridge that connects 'then' to 'now' in their minds isn't hard to follow. When gays fought for equal rights and, eventually, the ability to marry the whole 'coming for our children' argument was the one everyone was most vocal about. It took like a decade or more to tamp that down in the public eye, but here we have so-called "representatives" of our "our community" literally saying exactly that.

I may spite the mindset these hard-right haters have, but I can't fault them for it, and that's what sucks the most. But I won't stop trying, I've noticed a few more voices joining me in the forums and communities I post in so there's that, at least. I've also found success by pointing people to groups like GaysAgainstGroomers or LGBAlliance. Once they see not just the orgs intentions, but the HATE they get from the trans-groomers, they start to think 'maybe they aren't all like that'.

[–]samfish 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In America, at least, it’s been that way since the 1980’s, when the Democrats decided they would become an economically right party. That’s when they stopped supporting unions and generally being the economically populist party. They decided they were going to get that Wall Street support, and go whole hog on supporting the military.

It’s been 35 or so years of no difference between them and republicans beyond culture war issues. And framing anything through a culture war lens means never having to follow through in any meaningful way with legislation. Hence why they toss in things like climate change as culture war.