DiscussionAGB asks the question: "Where is it all going wrong?"

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[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's because there is a certain group which was allowed to prove that the slippery slope predicted by the right was an accurate prediction and not a fallacy. They said that if we gave gays rights, then people would go after the kids. It may not be the gays going after the kids, but a lot of gays sure are complacent with letting the people going after kids associate themselves with us.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

an accurate prediction

It was accurate only in a general way. The specifics were all wrong, bordering on the unimaginable.

We've thoroughly discussed the fact that for many of us, the TQ+ stuff seemed to come out of nowhere. Prior to 2015, most everyone I knew was focused on same-sex marriage and maybe protection in terms of housing and job discrimination for LGB people. If you had told me in 2013 that in 2023 we'd be in the midst of an uproar about putting kids on puberty blockers, teaching kids gender identity theory, males competing against females in sports, and non-binary identities, I would have thought you were crazy.

What the right said was that gay marriage was going to lead to efforts to legalize incest, polygamous marriage, and bestiality. That's not where we've ended up. I think it's unfair to give conservatives credit for being right when, in fact, they predicted things that didn't happen and failed to predict those who did.

Pretty much the only people who foresaw our current problems were the gender critical feminists. They were right.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True. The right didn't make great predictions, but they'll claim the victory of "we said bad shit would follow gay marriage, and it did" even if the specifics were as wrong as can be. And that claimed victory means people who may have at one point been on the fence are now going to see "credibility" on the right and inconsistency on the left.

In politics, no one is opposed to pretending they said something different to make it seem like they knew what was happening all along, but some situations are easier to work that than others.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I came out of the closet in high school in the late 1990s. I could see you this coming from miles away. Nobody listened until it was too late. Now, we’ve got another lost Gay generation. This is worse than AIDS, because AIDS affected Gay men more than lesbians and because even then we still had organizations that actually cared about Gay and Lesbian interests.

[–]PriestTheyCalledHimBisexual 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://vimeo.com/44865060

[–]JewsAreOfColor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If they are still grasping at straws to blame Gays for heterosexual men raping little girls, then they don’t deserve civil rights for themselves. I’m tired of being expected to support everybody else’s rights but my own at my expense. I’m tired of being called selfish and self-hating by the same people who are trying to deprive me of a sense of self in the first place. I’m tired of being told what words I can and cannot use to describe those who stand in the way of my civil rights. I’m sick and tired of being expected to support the civil rights of those who would gladly turn around and deprive me of them.

In short, I oppose non-Gay rights on moral grounds. You act like the oppressor classes are entitled to the same rights as those they oppress, and soon the law becomes just another tool of oppression.