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[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've been gone for almost six months, so my opinion is only worth so much.... but I do think it's time to retire this sub. I think it would be wiser to publish the archive somewhere else (is Ovarit still around?) so it doesn't get lost and straight up delete the sub rather than leave it to the dogs.

This sub was always fairly toxic. Most of the posts consist of mocking mentally ill teenagers and always have. Regular users have repeatedly expressed no interest in political organizing, which is the intended purpose of the sub and the reason our remaining mods volunteered their time and IT expertise.

Assholes and trolls aside, who are too numerous to count, what's the point of this place existing? Trans critical views have gone mainstream online, I can think of several gay groups and communities online where you can talk about your life and also not believe in gender theory. So, what social aspect of this sub that there was is no longer necessary and there are better options available.

Tumbleweedfireflies isn't anyone's servant. She has no obligation to take constant abuse for anyone else's benefit. We can all migrate to other sites, send each other usernames or emails if we want to keep in touch.

Shut it down, basically. We won. Cherish the wonderful memories.

Edit: I was asked to be a mod for this group at one point and turned them down, so I'm part of the problem. I didn't want to deal with the shit the mods get. It's just straight up, non-stop, homophobic and misogynist abuse. Why should anyone have to deal with that in their spare time?

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This sub was always fairly toxic. Most of the posts consist of mocking mentally ill teenagers and always have. Regular users have repeatedly expressed no interest in political organizing, which is the intended purpose of the sub and the reason our remaining mods volunteered their time and IT expertise.

I'm going to say something about this. I'm a relatively new member, I only joined this forum 3 months ago and although most posts have been great with little to no actual hatred, I noticed that there are a LOT of posts about harmless things. Like, why the hell are there posts about lonely transwomen and transmen talking about their future boyfriends/girlfriends? That's just plain weird. I repeatedly see them here and I just...what the hell? Now, I hate transgenderism and I'm always against it, but I don't exactly hate transgenders and I just don't hate on them for no reason, I posted a bunch of stuff here but they were actual gross things from the trans community like rape, abuse, sexism, delusions...etc not things about "I want my boyfriend to be gentle and talk sweet to me blah blah blah!!" Who cares if no man talks like that? Why are we posting harmless and innocent things?

Just the last week, there was a post about a woman suffering from gender dysphoria lashing out at her own vagina, someone shared it here and some people accused her of "internal misogyny"?? and "encouraging women to hate their genitals"? What the fuck? Why are we making up things? It was just one single harmless vent post and she didn't encourage anyone to hate anything, it's just gender dysphoria. People with genuine gender dysphoria and mental breakdowns should be sympathized with, not mocked and posted here.

2 months ago, there was a venting post about a man who decided to "transition" and he was upset that his girlfriend decided to leave him because of it. It was posted here and some people already accused him of being "controlling" and things like that even though he explained that he understands her decision and he just wanted to vent about it on the internet because...duh, anyone would be upset if their SO leaves them! There was no red flag in his post and yet people mocked and insulted him here. This is just...no, just no! We shouldn't post things just because whoever made them is transgender, we should post things ABOUT transgenders. Normal things shouldn't be mocked.

I think this forum is overall chill and cool, I don't see misandry or misogyny or anything like this, heck I barely see any 4chan-level of hatred against transgenders (like slurs and death threats and stuff) no matter how shitty they are but posts like these, things like this piss me off tbh. I really hope people here stop doing it, it only gives a bad picture about the place.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

no matter how shitty they are but posts like these, things like this piss me off tbh. I really hope people here stop doing it, it only gives a bad picture about the place.

They're not going to, it's the main reason the regulars are here mostly. There are a few very interesting and kind people here who are always a joy to talk to... and a never-ending stream of assholes. I attempted to steer people away (sometimes shock people away) from pettiness and naval-gazing and got told to fuck off (basically.)

I had the dark thought one day that there may be people who are harvesting the nasty comments we make about these kids and sharing them with these same kids and I got alarmed.

I tried for a while to make more compassionate and empathetic posts, and to try to persuade other people to do so, but that got to be too much of an effort.

There are other, better, communities. Unfortunately I wish one existed that catered to bisexuals but there isn't. We should be used to that, though.