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[–]jay-dayGold Star Gay Woman[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I've been thinking about posting this for awhile since I've seen a post here about Ovarit's members disgusting views on gay men but the one I saw awhile back is gone (I think). But I saw stunaep's post (give it a read here: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/9a63/how_ovarit_feels_about_homosexual_parenthood/) and decided to post this. This might be a part 1, as I've seen various lesbophobia, homophobia, and biphobia there I just need to find it again. I've experienced lesbophobia and homophobia from radfems. Many of them believe homosexuality is a choice, or that gays are "made" from trauma, that lesbians are just very strong willed feminists (usually women that were abused by men. Glad to see classic homophobia making a come back...) and gay men are just very committed misogynists.

The Thread: https://ovarit.com/o/Lesbians/85214/has-anyone-else-been-noticing-an-uptick-in-homophobia-in-gc-spaces

Had to reupload to show usernames.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

aren't radfems supposed to be on the left? why would they fall back to these anti lgb tropes?

[–]jay-dayGold Star Gay Woman[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Radfem motto is "The personal is political" so no matter what, everything is political. A person is a political statement, their actions, beliefs, existence, etc. Because everything is a political statement, they may be acting in opposition to another political viewpoint, which is also an attack on them. If lesbians aren't human beings that can believe in a variety of different things, they're just a political group that means all lesbians (a political group in their eyes) can be opposition to their politics, since it's a choice they're choosing to be anti-whatever radfem beliefs. You can see lesbians going from human beings that just happen to be homosexual to 'lesbians' being "anti or pro certain political beliefs." Or:"Gay men are just misogynists so gay men are anti-women." Instead of: a gay man can just so happen to be a misogynist but there is nothing inherent to being a gay man with being misogynistic, because gay men are human beings therefore can vary in beliefs and so on.

"The personal is political" If used excessively, it can be very dehumanizing. You are no longer a person; you have become a political statement. You're more of a billboard than anything at that point. Because radical feminists have a long history of politicizing lesbians (see political "lesbians"), this commonly happens with us. Lesbians are just mega radical feminists that sleep with women because f•ck the patriarchy. Instead of just lesbians being homosexual.

Of course, all parties are guilty of this, putting their politics above humanity. They become so engrossed in politics that they lose sight of the fact everyone's a person not an walking ideology. We must fight oppression, erasure and trans people forcing themselves on others, but we must all remember that not everything/everyone is a walking political statement. It's sometimes just about basic human decency, being able to say "no" to sexual advances without being called a bigot, lesbians and gays not having to constantly "unpack our genital preferences," and real women having our own spaces away from males. Some things shouldn't be made into political statements.

and most radfems are straight. Heterosexuals don't have a great track record of being respectful to homosexuals.

Sorry for the long post, I just find all of this to be very interesting.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry for the long post, I just find all of this to be very interesting.

So did I :)

[–]DimDroog 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Many of them believe homosexuality is a choice, or that gays are "made" from trauma, that lesbians are just very strong willed feminists (usually women that were abused by men. Glad to see classic homophobia making a come back...) and gay men are just very committed misogynists.

WTH?! I'm shocked, seriously. I'm glad I left the radfem online community.

That is seriously depressing.

I think they do have some valid points, but in the end, I do NOT like anyone telling me (or anyone else for that matter) that I MUST think a certain way.

[–]jay-dayGold Star Gay Woman[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They're very authoritarian. The homophobia and horseshoe sexism is "shut up lesbo I know what's good for you!"

It's why we need to grow the LGB drop the T movement, so we don't have to rely on any outsiders. I just applied (and was accepted) to volunteer at an LGBT organization to help the LGBs in my area, and to hopefully passively change minds. Find some fence sitters and help steer them away from the homophobic sexists gendie stuff. See how it goes.

[–]DimDroog 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What can I do as a straight ally?

So far, I've been telling people in real life what is going on.

Most straights don't realize how crazy it is, unless they're online.

So flipping AWFUL!

[–]jay-dayGold Star Gay Woman[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I thought you were bi because of the symbol next to your name so I was confused for a bit lol. I guess keep doing what you're doing, spread the word, and if you're able support any LGB Alliance group. Thanks for your allyship! I not used to straight people caring unless they're related to a LGB person

[–]DimDroog 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Fist bump.

[–]jay-dayGold Star Gay Woman[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stay amazing friend ❤️

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I just applied (and was accepted) to volunteer at an LGBT organization to help the LGBs in my area, and to hopefully passively change minds. Find some fence sitters and help steer them away from the homophobic sexists gendie stuff. See how it goes.

Good luck!! Stay safe. You might find some awesome people there, but also might find some people who are very hostile to same-sex attracted people...

[–]jay-dayGold Star Gay Woman[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right now we're doing everything through zoom calls, so at least it's not in person for now. My first interview the guy asked for my pronouns, not the worse thing, but it gives me a peak on what'll be like. Who knows, maybe it won't be so bad, best to stay optimistic.