Gay MenThe pressure to transition as effeminate gay men

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[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It'S aLReAdY tooDAY alREadY! Ermagerhd! Stupid memes aside, it's an old problem that doesn't exist much today in the western world. I'm a straight 41yr old male who'd rather be in the kitchen with the women than playing ball with the guys. Hasn't ever been an issue, but there are kids these days complaining about gender roles.... What gender roles?

Ever considered the fact that you may have a limited perspective on this precisely because you are straight? Like I said, a guy with a few slightly gnc behaviors(the social acceptance of which changes with the wind) like not participating in sports and having long hair is nothing compared to a guy having sex with guys. Are you seriously saying these 2 types of things will be perceived and treated the same, even in the West? Gimme a break. Heck, you already neutralized your own point with this gem:

Family makes for a better identification than who you want to fuck. You build something with a family. A person don't build up anything blowing dudes at the airport, except disease.

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Bullying is a common life experience, has been for all of human existence. It is human nature.

Speak for yourself. Like I said, it sounds like cope to me. Like a person who was robbed and then afterwards says everyone is like that, it's human nature and it's ok to be paranoid and untrusting. I never bullied anyone. Have you?

Don't get hung up on sematics.

The fact that you consider it just semantics means you don't even understand what Trans is or the point of this sub. It's all just "the gay stuff" to you. It's been a constant struggle trying to explain this issue to heterosexuals because of exactly this dismissive conflation of sexuality and gender identity.

I mean LGB(T). Not a literal gay club. Although gays are identifiable by their physcial appearance and mannerisms, but I don't care about gay night clubs.

That sounds like confirmation bias to me. Anyone who falls into the popular depiction of gays will be categorized as gay even when they're not, and those who fall outside of it will be labeled straight. You think most people are gonna bother to confirm their judgements?

I think having this LGBT org is fucking y'all more than it's helping. It was once useful and now it convinces gays they're trans. Crazy.

Yeah, but ask yourself why it was useful? The fact that it was of great use in it original form before it was captured by the gender lobby may give you some valuable perspective for your original question below:

Just a thought, but y'all ever consider maybe these super gay clubs are a bad idea?

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Ever considered the fact that you may have a limited perspective on this precisely because you are straight?

Not previously, but now that you mention it I have considered it. Although I'm not personally gay, a whole lot of people in my life have been or are rainbowy. I'd think I'd have noticed anything particularly overt.

like not participating in sports and having long hair is nothing compared to a guy having sex with guys. Are you seriously saying these 2 types of things will be perceived and treated the same, even in the West?

I see everyone treated the same, mostly. Dark skinned people aren't treated as well as light skinned, but that's not without reason.

The fact that you consider it just semantics means you don't even understand what Trans is or the point of this sub. It's all just "the gay stuff" to you. It's been a constant struggle trying to explain this issue to heterosexuals because of exactly this dismissive conflation of sexuality and gender identity.

How has your life been negatively impacted by being gay? What is the great oppression you have suffered?

I thought the point of this sub is that you didn't want the trans people lumped in cause they're nutty and attention whores, too many are pedos, and they generally fuck everything up for the rest of LBGay Club.

Yeah, but ask yourself why it was useful? The fact that it was of great use in it original form before it was captured by the gender lobby may give you some valuable perspective for your original question below:

There was once a time when you'd get beaten up for being gay. Possibly killed. Coming out cost people their careers. It was considered shameful. That's why LGB was needed. But those NAMBLA types have always been around too. Now they can just ride the trans train. And now there's a lot of overstepping going on. People got sick of that. Seems like a huge pushback is coming.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How has your life been negatively impacted by being gay? What is the great oppression you have suffered?

I'm bisexual- not gay, so none. I do try to see things through the perspective of a gay person though, based on my own interactions and what gay men and lesbians share about themselves. If you would read people's experiences in this forum and others you would see that not everything is Sunny in Philadelphia even now and the negative treatment from the past does not simply wash away from one's psyche just because circumstances may have changed.

I thought the point of this sub is that you didn't want the trans people lumped in cause they're nutty and attention whores, too many are pedos, and they generally fuck everything up for the rest of LBGay Club.

You're close. It's about having clear delineations. I don't want T lumped with the sexual orientations because it is about Gender Identity. All the other things that currently plague the T are a malus but are not necessary exclusive to them. I don't doubt there'll probably be a huge net benefit once we're separated though, because our interests(ending lgb discrimination, representation, and the normalization of same-sex and exclusive same-sex attraction) will actually be on the menu once again. Even the Trans will benefit from the separation as well, because then most of the opportunists that have infested the movement will leave for greener pastures once they can no longer get a free ride on the coattails of the gay rights movement.

There was once a time when you'd get beaten up for being gay. Possibly killed. Coming out cost people their careers. It was considered shameful. That's why LGB was needed. But those NAMBLA types have always been around too. Now they can just ride the trans train. And now there's a lot of overstepping going on. People got sick of that. Seems like a huge pushback is coming.

So you can understand how organizations like NAMBLA are counting on the common conflation between sexual orientation and paraphilias like pedophilia to slide their agenda in. Think they actually care what happens to LGB when that majority pushback comes a knockin? All they care is that they were able to gain a few degrees of social acceptance at our expense. Same goes for the rainbow folks with fetishes like BDSM, bestiality, etc. I should also include the trans-associated ones like AGP and AAP. It's not at all unusual for unscrupulous parties to exploit minorities for their own gain. We don't really have the numbers to effectively fight back against this pressure when scattered and unorganized. Hence the need to make groups for ourselves.

Anyway, I neglected to address this before:

What bias? Have you been oppressed as a gay?

See above.

I feel like we already mostly fixed that in the 90s.

Then you haven't been paying attention. It's the 'we already solved it' attitude that made people(including many LGB) complacent going into the 2010s and lead to the return of homophobia in a different form. In addition, that mainstream pushback you're referring to is coming as well. I see a fair number of religious-minded conservatives online expressing how they abhor the trans trend and eagerly lump in LGB because to them the whole thing is unnatural and Moloch-serving "degeneracy". Also, they heavily associate the legalization of Same-Sex marriage in the U.S. as some sort of Big Bang magnitude catalyzing event that began the 'slippery slope' slide into gender ideology and eventually the transing of children(even though many other countries legalized SS marriage way earlier without the same effects). Call me crazy, but I don't think the upcoming pushback is just gonna leave gay people and their rights alone..